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why waste your time and OURS sayig shit about being shot in the head with a shotgun!!!
The problem her is wolves!!! Not humans!!! Th were here b4 us …sure sure…sounds like a native land claim issue as well…( sorry to my native brothers).
This whole post shows that there is concerned people about the wolf popoluation and their encroachment on residential neighborhoods.
Sure we can all bow to astros knowledge and love of wild canines…but for the love of god and the citizens of PR…see the fricken light!!!.
people in this town need to become more aware of the things around them. that being the wilderness. and everything that lives in it
because its not just deer that is the reason we have wolves sticking around.
its the garbage too
i agree. having wolves in our city limits is a worrysome issue. since ive been aware of it i no longer let my dog out on his own. or for very long. but as a community we need to learn to deal with the issue. learn how to help with the problem instead of making it worse with fear.
because as i stated above… people fear what they dont understand
and as for the shotgun thing… i was replying to the post chrisj made about if it bleeds kill it
OK since none of us really have any say about this issue, here is what will really happen.
1. The government, city, conservation officers etc. will continue to keep their heads in the sand about this. Everyone knows the solution to a difficult problem is to ignore it and maybe it will go away.
2. Eventually a child will get attacked, hopefully not killed by a wolf pack. If not in our town then in some other town in B.C.
3. There will be a public outcry, then a program of wolf hunting will begin to clear wolves out of populated areas.
To make it really simple, predator populations increase until they reach the capacity of the territory and prey population to support them. Wolves will continue to reproduce until they max out their food supply. Each wolf pack requires a large geographic area to survive, so wolves will get pushed into new areas including cities and towns, as all the wild and forested areas already have their resident wolf packs. Eventually something has to give in this scenario. When that happens, wolves attack people, probably children because they are small and easy prey.
The wolves need to be hunted by professional hunters, not by yahoos roving about our city with shotguns. Yes, another wolf pack will move into town once the current wolf pack is exterminated. Somehow I think they won’t be immune to bullets either.
That’s a possibility I suppose. However, I had a close encounter with a pair of wolves when I was walking early in the morning on Park Avenue. They trotted by me about two meters away.
They could have attacked me, but they did not. Wolves choose to avoid people in my opinion.
I certainly hope your scenario does not happen.
wolves can be and are hunted year round there is no need for an open season on wolves as there already is…
if this happened, the wolf would be shot and testes, as a healthy wild wolf has never attacked a person, not once. wolves that have attacked were found to be sick (rabies) or near starving. or had been fed by humans and became habituat to humans.
This is unproven and is only your hypothesis, studies have been done and yes pack numbers and deer population go in hand in hand, fewer deer = fewer wolves, the pack numbers have been relatively the same numbers for the last few year, pack number last year was 8, with a few deaths this year will see most likely 2 more additions to the pack, same as last year, mortality rate his quite high with wolves, you also didn’t take into account the area of that the pack roams. On this island do you really think that a pack over 12 or more individuals can be supported? No is all I have to say, can another pack move in probably no, wolves need a lot of space they travel up too 25 miles a day, you guys act like there are 30 or 100 wolves here, LMAO the fact is there is not enough room on the island to support a big population of wolves and like I said the mortality rate is high with 2 to 3 individuals dieing each year.
So again as much as it sounds good on paper, the reality is that your hypothesis is flawed.
This is the problem that I have with you Astrothug. You are extremely arrogant and disrespctful towards others and their opinions. Is there “a program of wolf hunting will begin to clear wolves out of populated areas” ?
You should read a little closer before you insult others.
how hypocritical of you to say such a thing.
you are all guilty of being disrespectful. You see astrothug that way, just because you don’t like his view and disagree; you think its disrespectful when he can counter and give evidence to the contrary. I find that very disappointing.
I can tell this is very emotional for you, as it shows in your spelling.
you are so upset because you find it hard someone would disagree that it would be ok to use a weapon on the island regardless of the reason why.
you also find it hard that astrothug might be right, he has never attack you personally in this thread he has however shown that your views might not be right, and counters and explains why. you are looking for a scapegoat and know have a face too blame. look in the mirror before you accuse people of being disrespectful.
please except my humble apology. As yes it was very arrogant to say this.
I can and will admit when I’m wrong, but do not mix up arrogance and showing off as I have taken the time to educate myself through experiences and from the education of other who are the top wolf researchers in the study of wolves.
I don’t see that Astrothug’s comments are arrogant or disrespectful. He has a lot of experience with wolves and is knowledgeable on the subject. If Astrothug was directly insulting or flaming you I would agree with you, but he only said you don’t know what you’re talking about. I don’t think that is an insult. Please feel free to refute his statements, arguments. I love a good debate.
Spelling?? C’mon…get real. What you guys are telling me is that I am wrong to be concerned as a parent for the safety of my children in the neighbourhoods that they play in. Astrothug has admitted that there is the potential for tragedy with wolves existence on the island. No one will ever convince me that I am wrong of that. You can give up now if you’d like. I have come as far as agreeing with many of the points made by those defending the rights of wolves on this island. Yet, here I am still getting a hard time for being a concerned parent and calling out some of your narrowmindedness.
His comments were insulting and I hope that trilnearmiipmap has accepted his apology. The thing is with the comments is that they have been completely typical of most of his contributing posts. He dosn’t read the contentin which he responds to. He only sees what he wants to see and the rest he disregards. The points made by trilinearmipmap were fair and not at all comprehended by Astrothug before he replied to the post.
I made a comment a few posts back that were seem to be getting on the same page. Maybe I was wrong.
I’ve made my points and the rest of you have made yours. This is just turning into a flame war at this point. I feel comfortable about my opinions on the subject.
I’m sorry ismellfish you feel that way, I’m a parent too. and have conserns but the wolf problem is very low, on the list. unlike a few of you I dont own a dog, and if I did I would not walk him in parts of town, me though I will keep hiking and going about my buisness.
A few posts back someone said that if “astrothug or his girlfriend was attacked they would feel different”. If this ever did happen, I would not blame the wolves I would blame me as it would have been my fault, no one else, if it happened its becouse I missed a que from the wolf, whether it was a sick animal or I let it get too close.
again you want to blame someone; you will not listen to what our elective officials and officers of the law say about the situation, you are so set in your ways that everyone else is wrong.
Don’t get me wrong ismellfish your concern is somewhat valid if you and your children spend a lot of time in the woods, there is always a chance of a bad encounter with a wild animal, noticed I said wild animal. The reason is I have seen black bear prints on the mountain and near Oliver lake, I’m more scared of a bear then a wolf and I lived in bear country more then ½ my life.
I was taught to respect wild animals, I spent a good part of my young life in the wilderness hiking, camping and fishing with my family. A lot of my values stem from my parents. (Just explaining my background).
And another thing; we are all about educating and conservation, if you met me on the street and asked me a question about wolves, I would tell you our stories and encounters, I would not get into what I would do about them, or what should be done about them.
The only thing I disagree with you is the use of weapons for hunting on this island, and I’m sure I’m not the only one. As for everything else it’s plausible that it could happen, but so is a meteorite falling on us; or a tsunami from an underwater earthquake.
Thanks for your reply. The tone is much better than some of your previous posts. I still do feel that you are missing the point that I initially was trying to make.
I have always and will continue to spend alot of time in the woods. I was taught as a child and will continue to teach my children to respect the earth and all of its inhabitants. My point was not about being out in the woods, it’s about our kids being safe in their playgrounds and neighbourhoods including some of the small wooded areas of town. I do feel that my child should be able to feel safe in his own backyard or walking down a path to school. That currently is not the case.
Ismellfish I knew you had conserns with your children finding fresh wolf kill site and whether wolves would defend it or not. I hope this answers your question.
[quote]Defensive Attacks
We have seen that wolves put up little resistance when cornered, even when people are threatening to remove their cubs. This is surprising for a predator with such a fearsome reputation.
You would expect large, pack-living predators like wolves tenaciously to protect their growing family from human attack. Equally, you would expect them to guard their kills and chase off these frail humans. Yet David Mech, a foremost American researcher with over 40 years experience specialising in wolf research in the field, says he is never in danger from wolves, even when he and other workers chase wolf packs away from fresh kills (Mech 70:293).
An final illustration of the lack of mortal danger from wolves comes from a Manitoba trapper, Stuart Jansson, in the 1990’s (McNay 2002). Just as night was closing in he found signs of a recent wolf kill of a deer. Marks on the ground showed the carcass had been dragged into the cover of some nearby trees. Jansson walked into the clump of trees and was stopped in his tracks by a loud growl just a few feet ahead. It was too dark to see anything so he stepped back into the open. The next day he returned and found the tracks of four or five wolves. Just a jaw and a few hairs were left of the deer. He had plainly blundered almost straight into the kill the night before, apparently guarded by a wolf who had threatened him with nothing more dangerous than a growl.[/quote]
Like you I’m very watchful, protective of my children, especially my 4 year old. I won’t take risks with their safety. I think the risk is manageable here though.
Exactly Hitest, My daughter who is 10 months has gone on hikes with us all over and on one occasion with her we came across a young wolf.
The thing is as parents we are naturally protective of our young, but every time you buckle your child in to a seatbelt are you not taking a chance with his/her life that’s one example. We canoe and every time we go out there is a slim chance we could over turn and someone could drown; we minimize the risk as we all wear life jackets. I think you get the point.
This is from another website
[quote]
“There is a dog bite epidemic in the United States. There are almost 5 million victims annually — about 2% of the entire population. 800,000 need medical attention. 1,000 per day need treatment in hospital emergency rooms. Approximately 26 die per year. Most of the victims who receive medical attention are children, half of whom are bitten in the face. Dog bite losses exceed $1 billion per year, with over $300 million paid by insurance.â€[/quote]
You may feel okay introducing your child to wild carnivores but I think it’s crazy. A seatbelt is a safety device. What safety measures are you taking to ensure that your your child is not harmed by a wolf? When you assess the risk in driving a car you obviously feel that a seatbelt needs to be worn for your kid to be safe. What do you do to ensure your child is safe from a wolf generally?
That quote was broad but the point remains the same. Children are at a higher risk to be attacked than adults. How do you knw that there are not or will not be sick wolves on Kaien Island?
Perhaps not a problem in BC in general. I do beleive that the potential for a very large problem exists in our community.
We’ve been down this road already. I’m not about to spend any more time doing it again.
before you go and call social services ismellfish our chance encounter was just that, we didnt go out looking for a wolf… I have gone fishing on the skeena I’m sure alot of people have taken there kids fishing and Im sure even a few had chance encouters with bears… I know I have, does that stop you from going fishing, No So if I go out to Ridley and have a chance encounter or up to mnt hays with our kids, should we stay home until the threat is gone…
(insert hick voice)"Kids we are staying home today; because there are carnivorous out in them woods and we don’t want to get eaten by a big ol bear or a wolf.â€
