true dat
its not the liberals fault that you can’t afford school, just because you didn’t plan ahead. It’s the same as when people cry about not getting welfare, welfare is a privelage, not a right. Whiners need to stop whining and say “thank-you” for the stuff they are getting.
and education isnt a right after high school, so if you have problems paying tuition, don’t go to school.
It amazes me that when people make mistakes they say the government doesnt give them enough money.(i had a baby at 16… gimme money, i didnt save my money before it was too late… gimme money, im lazy and pretent i can’t get a job… gimme money)
so, if it means, jesus, that you have take a year off to work, then do it. There is no rule that once you can’t go into university at 19 or 20.
If your education is really that important to you, this is what you should do. You work 2 jobs, and are now in dept. Since you’ve been accepted into school once, there is no reason you cant be accepted again. So, DROP OUT, AND WORK THREE, FOUR, FIVE JOBS!!! whatever it takes.
But then, your education is only so important to you that once youve been accepted, you get 2 jobs, and suddenly the liberals are sposed to pick up the slack.
Listen, the NDP put a tuition freeze on and everyone was happy. Under pressure from the university, Gordon Campbells liberals lifted it and look what happened! You can work as many jobs as you want, or can get, because you make it sound like working 4 jobs is the easiest thing in the world. And for many people, they can’t take a year off due to scholarships or government loans. I couldn’t forsee myself working 2 jobs and still pulling off a decent average, let alone other people with more acedemically geared timetables.
The problem with the NDP is that they put a freeze on, but while the freeze was on, costs went up. The thing is, the NDP kept writing checks when BC didnt have the money.
The only reason that cost went up is because thats what it costs to run universities today. Every penny goes to what it always has, the university doesnt take all the money and save it in a secret vault, it goes the exact same stuff it did 20 years ago.
true dat
its not the liberals fault that you can’t afford school, just because you didn’t plan ahead. It’s the same as when people cry about not getting welfare, welfare is a privelage, not a right. Whiners need to stop whining and say “thank-you” for the stuff they are getting.
and education isnt a right after high school, so if you have problems paying tuition, don’t go to school.
It amazes me that when people make mistakes they say the government doesnt give them enough money.(i had a baby at 16… gimme money, i didnt save my money before it was too late… gimme money, im lazy and pretent i can’t get a job… gimme money)
so, if it means, jesus, that you have take a year off to work, then do it. There is no rule that once you can’t go into university at 19 or 20.
If your education is really that important to you, this is what you should do. You work 2 jobs, and are now in dept. Since you’ve been accepted into school once, there is no reason you cant be accepted again. So, DROP OUT, AND WORK THREE, FOUR, FIVE JOBS!!! whatever it takes.
But then, your education is only so important to you that once youve been accepted, you get 2 jobs, and suddenly the liberals are sposed to pick up the slack.[/quote]
Wait wait… So I work 12 hour days and thats not enough i should work more? I am 23 years old I have been working for the past 3 years saving money for school.
You know what in canada school is supposed to be available to all people YES even post secondary school thats why there is a student loan program etc.
But since the liberals were so nice to us it is now prohibitivly expensive to go to school. I managed to get through school thanks to alot of help from both my parents and my working however im 20 000 dollars in debt.
While I appreciate the loan program I am pissed off that they cut out student grants and unfroze the tuition so schools could spend 10 000 dollars on a 60 inch touchscreen tv that never ever gets used.
I think its pathetic how people like you think studnets should just drop out work 3 jobs to pay for their school 3 jobs at mcdonalds. and yet people like you probably say the economy is good now dont you? and quite honestly it is the liberals fault I cant afford school. Its their fault tuition went up its their fault i dont have access to as much money and guess what its their fault the economy is shit.
Did i mention my two jobs one of which is starting my own business and the other is road flagging for 10 dollars an hour 12 hours a day just to pay for my rent and try to pay down my student loans. I now have a network engineering diploma my CCNA, A+, some IT professional bs certificates, and a bunch of other stuff including being well 2/5 of the way through the CCSP program. I cant get a job in my field why? because im not skilled? no tats not it i am in the top of my class… is it because i dont have any education or experience backng me up? no because i have had my own business in some form or another for 5 years. Maybe its because hte economy in BC is shit? yea i think thats it. Just because life is peachy for you doesnt mean its easy for anyone else its gotten alot harder to get and education and put it to use.
[quote=“Anonymous”]The problem with the NDP is that they put a freeze on, but while the freeze was on, costs went up. The thing is, the NDP kept writing checks when BC didnt have the money.
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Bullshit. BC had a record surplus, BC was one of the 3 “have” provinces in Canada. The Liberals came to power, and they had the record deficit, they are the ones that are responsible for tanking the economy, for making BC a welfare province (Ontario and ALberta have to send us money now).
i’m on his side, the economy is doing awesome. you really have to be a loser and plan to go on EI… and going to school is no problem, I took out loans and put myself through school just like everyone else. Stop whining and join the military if you want a free education.
doing awesome? really whys that because they created so many jobs? oh ya just curious how much do these jobs pay? yea thats what i thought… oh yea helped us goto make money to go to school too that minimum wage sure went… oh wait it went down shit BC is doing awesome. Record number of working poor EVER… yea awesome economy when people work and still cant afford to eat/a place to live.
Just because you are lucky or are some spoiled rich little shit doesnt mean things are good for anyone else.
BC’s economy is fucked right now unless you are rich then you are doing better than ever. Really you people need to pull your head out of your own asses and take a look at things from a broader view than just your life. Things in BC have gone downhill as a whole.
nah my partents arn’t rich at all… It took me five years to pay off my student loans. I moved to bc 6 months ago for work. it’s all about attitude. Relax a bit, all this anger and stress will make you ill vote green party, there are much larger issues then tuition fees.
The economy has got better. Now there are $6 an hour jobs. 3-4 years ago there were no jobs at all. Don’t blame the Liberals or the NDP. Government doesn’t create jobs, people with money and willing to risk it do.
Two things to remember:
the $20 - $30 an hour jobs are gone. Gone gone gone except for a really lucky few. Not by Glen Clark or Gordo, by you. You want stuff cheap. That’s more important than anything to you. WalMart shirts don’t come from union factories. Not even from $6 an hour factories. The Kias and Hyundais and Subarus you drive don’t make any jobs in Canada. The Dell you mail ordered didn’t make a job for anyone you know. (sorry to generealize, some of ‘you’ care)
The guy like me who makes 5 or 6 jobs in your town doesn’t want to waste $20 an hour to find out you can’t read, can’t even file alphabetically, or you claim to be a computer whiz but can’t find where the Simply file is on the hard disk. But once you prove you’re not a total blockhead, you should expect to get more than the minimum if they want to keep you.
I totally agree, I detest the people who bitch about how crappy the local businesses are (non big-box) and how few job opportunities there are when they are the ones that do the majority of their shopping at Walmart (which I boycott 100%). Sure Walmart might’ve donated $1000-2000 to the Terrace Food Bank when they opened, but that is pocket change to the company, and they are only doing it for ‘good’ PR. Other bigbox stores like Canadian Tire actually regularly contribute to the society, with or without publication of their donations.
As for who to vote for this election: Sure, I don’t agree with the Liberals closing schools, hospitals, social services, etc, etc, but in the long run, it had to be done. Sure we have to deal with some cuts, but I’d much rather have a brighter future than a continual declining economy.
No political party comes even close to being perfect, heck all politicians must be either stupid or crazy to want to work as a politician, I mean, you are guaranteed that a lot of people will hate you, you simply can’t please the entire population, it’s just not possible.
I’m not old enough to vote, but if I could I would be voting for the Liberals (the majority of htmf’s appear to be NDPers).
[quote=“herbie_popnecker”]The economy has got better. Now there are $6 an hour jobs. 3-4 years ago there were no jobs at all. Don’t blame the Liberals or the NDP. Government doesn’t create jobs, people with money and willing to risk it do.
Two things to remember:
the $20 - $30 an hour jobs are gone. Gone gone gone except for a really lucky few. Not by Glen Clark or Gordo, by you. You want stuff cheap. That’s more important than anything to you. WalMart shirts don’t come from union factories. Not even from $6 an hour factories. The Kias and Hyundais and Subarus you drive don’t make any jobs in Canada. The Dell you mail ordered didn’t make a job for anyone you know. (sorry to generealize, some of ‘you’ care)
The guy like me who makes 5 or 6 jobs in your town doesn’t want to waste $20 an hour to find out you can’t read, can’t even file alphabetically, or you claim to be a computer whiz but can’t find where the Simply file is on the hard disk. But once you prove you’re not a total blockhead, you should expect to get more than the minimum if they want to keep you.[/quote]
Well my other post got deleted, but the economy isnt better it is worse. There may be more jobs but again $6 an hour or even 8 is not enough to live off therefore you need to get an education.
There is a catch to that though you ahve to work these minimum wage jobs in order to pay for your school… yes tehre is a student loan program… great then youcome out of school in massive debt thats really good and who hires students straight out of college when there so many other people with experience? How exactly are you supposed to support yourself while proving you arnt a total “blockhead”?
People who insist on buying cheap shit get just htat cheap garbage products I know alot of people (myself included) prefer to buy more expensive tools/equipment or what have you and get quality products. If i buy cheap stuff that is because my income doesnt afford me the privilege of buying the more expensive quality products I want.
Running a car is more expensive than ever and getting to work/jobs around town in a larger center is almost impossible without one. for someone starting out making near minimum wage how are they supposed to afford this?
What I beleive we need is a government who will help you create jobs. I have a great business idea where do i go? a bank? yea i tried that they dont want to loan me money to start it up my income is too low… where do i go?
well I am working for 10 dollars an hour… that supports me living in a 1 bedroom house pays for my food and well theres not enough left for my business. Do i get an investor? yea ok and how many people want to invest in someone just out of college in a technology project (one of hte riskiest investments) not bloody many.
Where do i go? If we want jobs in bc we need to help small business not big business they can do fine on tehir own. Cutting deals with corporations does not create jobs here at least not jobs that can support the people. You say people with money taht are willing to risk it do… well where do these people get the money working for 6 dollars an hour?
This current government has been attempting to break the back of the unions since it got into power decresing the standard of living in bc decreasing hte income of families in bc all the while the cost of living has gone up. How is that a good economy?
[quote=“Anonymous”]The economy sucks. Worse rate of growth in a generation.
For the first time in history, BC is a “have-not” province.
The jobs being created are all $6/hour ones.
Just because somebody says “the economy is great” doesn’t mean that it is. Take a look around. It sucks.[/quote]
So, if i say its doing great it isn’t, but we are all sposed to believe you when you say it sucks?
Tell me, (anyone who says the economy is shit…), if it truly is bad, why do we have a container port coming, why is there a chinese investor thinking of running our mill, and why, for the first time in a long time, has every (listed) house in PR been sold (or almost every one)…
Above, is just an open question to any HTMF user, that says the economy sucks.
what people(at least some people) fail to realize is that to give more money to universities, and create more jobs and lower tuition fees, and give HEU and the teachers more money, all costs money.
When the taxes go up to pay for these things, people will complain about the taxes. You have to spend money to make money, and if your too lazy to spend it, dont cry when you dont get anything in return!
Exactly, people want more, more, more services, more free things, etc etc, and they are the ones that don’t want to pay taxes, they want tax cuts, etc.
tax cuts for lower income people yes! not tax cuts for rich people thanks.
As for why is the container port going in? well thats nothing to do with the liberals the chinese have a large market… the ports everywhere else are saturated they need a new port… prince rupert is well setup for that port. Why are houses being sold in rupert? well because of hte port coming and the fact house values were so bloody low and could only go up. Thinking of running the mill? yea I will beleive that when i see it, more like everyone is begging them to run it.
Seems like you’re all NDP biased to me, considering the guy who runs this site is a teacher, and 90% of teachers are pro NDP. All I can say is, NDP has strong labour ties, so it makes sense. Nathan belongs to a party that has 13 seats out of more than three hundred federally, NDP is a failing party.
Doesn’t that tells you something that 90% of the teachers respect the candidate so much that they will vote for him and that a lot of them are willing to get involved in the campaign? I never got involved in any political party ever but I know the candidate and I trust his ability to represent the region effectively.
You mention the labour ties of the NDP but don’t the Liberals have ties with big business. A lot of the local liberals supporters are Chamber of Commerce members. Many run some of the very same stores and businesses that will be seriously threathened when when this city gets bigger and the big corporations ( WalMart, Canadian Tire, etc…) settle in to make Rupert look like Anytown, Canada. Do you think the liberals will oppose these corporations?
vote green party, there are much larger issues then tuition fees.