NDP leader caught in a "Massage" bust

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I picked this up on another forum, cant attest to the accuracy but think it deserves consideration amongst those of you who support the unicorn tears and pixie dust party.

These points relate only to this topic and many provide some context for your consideration.

  1. It should be noted that Mr. Layton was at this sex business during late night hours outside a regular business schedule.

  2. The girl Layton was found with was not a licensed or registered therapist and as I understand she was in Canada illegally being used in the sex trade.

  3. In 1996 the issue of Massage Parlours and the sex businesses were a hot button item with Toronto Council and Mr. Layton was a leading opponent against strip clubs etc. HE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING.

  4. Mr. Layton has always been a supporter sex workers rights and while Ms. Layton (Olivia Chow) has stated that her husband did nothing wrong this is presented as her statement in the context undefined…meaning she speaking from a moral position not a criminal one.

  5. That location was run by organized asian crime gangs that had a history of blackmail and extortion. Since the men that frequent massage parlours tend to visit them regularly there is no way to now if Jack Layton (then city counsellor) had been extorted or blackmailed in the past or afterwards.

  6. That issue needs to be considered by the public before they vote and put this man in a position where the risk is possible.

While many media outlets will shun this for their own reasons the reality is jealousy of the Sun et al. The issue is not about is it right or is it wrong…the issue is credibility, risks of past or future extortion and the hypocrisy that Jack Layton represents.

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furthermore

Offences in relation to Bawdy-house

  1. (1) Every one who keeps a common bawdy-house is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.

Landlord, inmate, etc.

(2) Every one who

(a) is an inmate of a common bawdy-house,

(b) is found, without lawful excuse, in a common bawdy-house, or

© as owner, landlord, lessor, tenant, occupier, agent or otherwise having charge or control of any place, knowingly permits the place or any part thereof to be let or used for the purposes of a common bawdy-house,

is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

So did he get off because of who he was or was the cop just feeling generous that night.

Now some more from the same forum, again I cant attest to its accuracy and am not insinuating it is the truth only that it merits consideration .

  1. Layton while a city counselor received police data from the PSB about the locations and enforcement of suspected Chinese prostitutes in 14/51/52 and 55 Division.

  2. The location had previously been raided and charges laid and during a following raid was shut down. In both the before and after people were charged.

  3. Jack never claimed any of these “treatments” as medical expenses not has he used a registered massage therapist on expenses.

  4. The sex worker “treating” Jack was not a licensed Massage Parlour Attendant by the City of Toronto.

  5. Layton was very critical about the police raids on the Toronto Bath Houses and the Pussy Palace Club and was campaigning that the police were antigay.

  6. Jacks first marriage was trashed by his interest in asian “attendants”. Pull his divorce court papers and have a fun read Toronto Court House on University Avenue if you want a hint where to look…

  7. Lets see if Part 2 of this story comes out over the weekend…

Oh yeah…Shiatsu at what time at night? Strange how nobody published the time of the encounter…1:32AM!

By the way…Jack was first nailed by investigators in the mid 80’s after becoming a City of Toronto Counselor by playing to the poor and homeless. He has been working that angle for years and had to be exposed when caught living in subsidized Ontario Housing in Toronto while he was making 100k plus a year (back in the 80’s that was a lot of money). He has always faked it and until he has a light shone on him like a cockroach he breeds in the dark. Sign him up for a Gennie award…best actor in the role of a politician

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[quote]The Ontario Provincial Police have launched a criminal investigation into the leak of Toronto police information about a visit by NDP leader Jack Layton to a massage clinic in 1996.

Toronto police chief Bill Blair asked the OPP Saturday to investigate any possible breach-of-trust regarding the disclosure of information, said OPP inspector Dave Ross.[/quote]

Criminal probe launched into leak about Layton at massage clinic

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Yes, he was a long serving MP for Skeena (and later an MLA) around the end of the CCF era and the first years of the NDP. As a young person he had served time in a federal penitentiary, but as a politician was well regarded for his personal integrity, respect for others and ability to work with his political opponents, most notably with the Diefenbaker government to give the vote to aboriginal people. He was a ‘parliamentarian’, a term that was accorded to some politicians of various parties back then, but that has fallen out of favour in recent years. He died last month.

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“pretty much”? what an understatement! you sir are a diplomat! … i don’t think the smear-troll will have much to say on this one.

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[quote=“toofattofly”]I picked this up on another forum, cant attest to the accuracy but think it deserves consideration
[/quote]

You mean that you believe what’s on the other forum and are ready to keep this story going. It can work more than one way:

Here is a summary of things that I picked up in an article. I can’t attest to the accuracy but I think it surely deserves consideration.

1-Stephen Harper was a member of a group called the Northern Foundation.

2-Northern Foundation was, on the political spectrum, an ultra-right wing group.

3-Many white supremacists and neo-nazi individuals were also member of this group ( Forgive me Godwin)

4-Stephen Harper’s goal is to carry a private agenda of a clique associated with the Northern Foundation.

And, to quote you again:

But we’ve already done this.

There are many more facts that I could list here but you can find out by yourself: here’s a link to the article and second link with similar information.

agoracosmopolitan.com/home/F … 01929.html

rogerhollander.wordpress.com/201 … %99s-book/

Do I believe everything? Maybe, maybe not. But that is beside the point because, as you say, it deserves consideration :wink:

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Now does this look like some place you’d go at 1:30 in the morning to see a registered massage therapist on your bicycle? Alls fair in politics. It’s a blood sport. M Bernier got roasted for doing someone that had ties to bikers. Was he stupid yup plus leaving files laying around. Carlson for having a 22 year old girl friend ex escort. Plus his other crap.

If this had been Harper or Iggy the all media would would be on it like a chicken on a June bug.

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[quote=“toofattofly”]
Oh yeah…Shiatsu at what time at night? Strange how nobody published the time of the encounter…1:32AM![/quote]

I am just wondering about your sources. According to this article, (torontosun.com/2011/04/30/nd … inal-hours) the time of the visit was 9:30 after a workout.

And I am still trying to get your point. Is it that he went for a massage at a place that turned out to be questionable. Seems like a pretty innocent mistake especially 15 years after the fact.

Or are you trying to say that he did more or got more than just the massage even though he was not arrested at the time.

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[quote=“DWhite”]

[quote=“toofattofly”]
Oh yeah…Shiatsu at what time at night? Strange how nobody published the time of the encounter…1:32AM![/quote]

I am just wondering about your sources. According to this article, (torontosun.com/2011/04/30/nd … inal-hours) the time of the visit was 9:30 after a workout.

And I am still trying to get your point. Is it that he went for a massage at a place that turned out to be questionable. Seems like a pretty innocent mistake especially 15 years after the fact.

Or are you trying to say that he did more or got more than just the massage even though he was not arrested at the time.[/quote]

Come on… The place was called the “VELVET TOUCH”
How deep is your head buried in the sand anyhow?

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Layton haven’t been charged with anything, yet you tried very hard to discredit him regardless. Anyway:

http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/101/771/original/1879f18e_e542_e1c6.jpg

BTW, Mr. White’s head isn’t stuck in the sand thank you very much. Nice to see a business person insult potential customers.

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And the answer to my question …

I am still trying to figure out if you are upset at his judgment of going to a massage parlor that turned out to be questionable. or

Are you upset that he may have had a certain part of his body touched?

I am honestly asking this question.

It would appear by your question about the location of my head that you are suggesting the latter.

And it’s ok to question the location of my head and it is ok to think that Layton might have received more than just a massage. BUT, he was never charged with anything. AND it happened 15 years ago.

This is the stuff of smear campaigns. Innuendo from the distant past.

Now how about this? Julian Fantino is a conservative candidate. He was first elected in 2010 in a bi-election. He was the chief of police in Toronto and York as well as the head of the OPP. I am guessing he has friends in the police department.

Check the scandals he has been involved in.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Fantino

And has been pointed out the leak is under investigation for breach of trust.

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Seeing how this came out so late it would seem that whoever leaked this information knows if they got busted before the election it would end up being trouble for whoever they support.
Most likely scenerio in my mind is another “aid, or supporter” of the Conservative Party.

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[quote=“DWhite”]And the answer to my question …
And it’s ok to question the location of my head and it is ok to think that Layton might have received more than just a massage. BUT, he was never charged with anything. AND it happened 15 years ago.

This is the stuff of smear campaigns. Innuendo from the distant past. [/quote]

Come on… The police might not have had enough evidence to prove he knew what the deal was, but we’re smarter than that. He was there for a special massage.

Still–it shouldn’t matter. His stance in this area is wrong, so good for him for ignoring it. Legalizing and regulating prostitution is the way to make it safer–it’s keeping this stuff illegal that turns these places into rape boutiques.

Again, aside from the idea that what he did seems to be contradictory to his own politics, who cares what a grown man does in his free time as long as he does it safely and respectfully?

Again, I’m not trying to smear Layton–but he’s running for Prime Minister. Fantino isn’t.

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The real story here is the breach of the public trust…
The actual notes from the officer and the incident have been made public. This again, erodes the trust that the public has in law enforcement…

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[quote=“eccentric”]
Come on… The police might not have had enough evidence to prove he knew what the deal was, but we’re smarter than that. He was there for a special massage.

Still–it shouldn’t matter. His stance in this area is wrong, so good for him for ignoring it. Legalizing and regulating prostitution is the way to make it safer–it’s keeping this stuff illegal that turns these places into rape boutiques.

Again, aside from the idea that what he did seems to be contradictory to his own politics, who cares what a grown man does in his free time as long as he does it safely and respectfully?

Again, I’m not trying to smear Layton–but he’s running for Prime Minister. Fantino isn’t.[/quote]

Now don’t you “come on” me. I am well aware of what might have happened. I am trying to clarify what is upsetting our two critics the most.

Something happened 15 years ago. It has now been leaked to the press. Is getting a special massage 15 years ago something to fuss over? And why?

And for the absolute record. I do not particularly like Jack Layton. I will be voting for Nathan Cullen but Jack Layton leaves me cold.

And I am curious. Which is the greater problem. A leader who got a special massage 15 years ago or a leader who has several people surrounding him and representing him who have been involved in political scandals.

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People who get massages are morally suspect and ones convicted of Contempt of Parliament and caught lying to the people aren’t?
You shouldn’t be judging others, you just indicated your morals are all fucked up.

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The rub’n’tug. I think that name is due to be replaced. Soon enough, Johns across Canada may be asking for a Layton. Or, God forbid, asking for hookers to give them the ‘Prime Minister’.

$50 bucks and you can “get Jack elected”

canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/36009

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[quote=“DWhite”]

[quote=“eccentric”]
Come on… The police might not have had enough evidence to prove he knew what the deal was, but we’re smarter than that. He was there for a special massage.
Still–it shouldn’t matter. His stance in this area is wrong, so good for him for ignoring it. Legalizing and regulating prostitution is the way to make it safer–it’s keeping this stuff illegal that turns these places into rape boutiques.
Again, aside from the idea that what he did seems to be contradictory to his own politics, who cares what a grown man does in his free time as long as he does it safely and respectfully?
Again, I’m not trying to smear Layton–but he’s running for Prime Minister. Fantino isn’t.[/quote]

Now don’t you “come on” me. I am well aware of what might have happened. I am trying to clarify what is upsetting our two critics the most.
Something happened 15 years ago. It has now been leaked to the press. Is getting a special massage 15 years ago something to fuss over? And why?
And for the absolute record. I do not particularly like Jack Layton. I will be voting for Nathan Cullen but Jack Layton leaves me cold.
And I am curious. Which is the greater problem. A leader who got a special massage 15 years ago or a leader who has several people surrounding him and representing him who have been involved in political scandals.[/quote]

Thank you DWhite!!!

I certainly do not care forthe idea of supposed police records being made public, when no offence has been committed and no charges laid nor do I care for a new organization that publishes this type of innuendo. The fact this “Story” was published by the new Fox North is priceless. It seems the new Fox North is flexing it’s NeoCon Muscle now.

I’m going to say the greater problem is a Prime Minister who had as his closest advisor and “Political Fixer” a disbarred lawyer who has been repeatedly charged with fraud and our sitting Prime Minister pretends not to notice something is amiss when one of his inner circle brings a 22 year old escort as his date to the prime minister’s official residence. It defies common sense that a Prime Minister who knows about one criminal conviction would not ask a few very pointed questions to both Mr. Carson and the people that are charged with doing background security checks. Harper either lied about knowing the full extent of Carson’s past or is a fool. I’m thinking Harper is not a fool. To me a Prime Minister who has a supporter of the Tamil Tiger terrorist organization running for the Conservative party has more of a judgement problem than Mr. Layton.

The record of this prime minister and his ongoing attack on Canadian Democracy, his willingness to import the worst of American politics and ideas to Canada and his relentless pursuit of destroying Canadian values of tolerance is much more of an issue to me than a man who allegedly according to a recent leak from undisclosed sources entered a massage parlour fifteen years ago.

While political dirty trick is nothing new… witness the RCMP files kept on Tommy Douglas, This type of smear campaign and attack on individual reputations has become too common under Harper. Look at the way our diplomat Richard Colvin was attacked by the Harper Cons for simply telling the truth when he was ordered to appear before a parliamentary committee. In summary, I strongly suspect the reasons behind this story now surfacing and frankly the fact it’s raised on this board by a newcomer that joined just as the election was brewing leads me to wonder whether we have a social media fifth column working here on behalf of the HarperCons. Sure he/she could be an agent of any other political party but the Harper Cons have shown themselves most willing to use attack and smear tactics they’ve learned from their Republican brethern.

We have no idea whether Mr. Layton went in to the massage parlour, for a therapeutic massage or a sexual massage. Eccentric believes that making assumptions is the hallmark of intelligence. It may come as a surprise but Massage Therapy is popular with many people and there is nothing sexual about it. In any event, I certainly wasn’t there… the police were and they did not charge Mr. Layton. In addition the person closest to him and best able to judge is his wife and she’s laid this fifteen year old non issue to rest.

**Mr. Layton’s wife, Olivia Chow – who is also seeking re-election – said her husband told her of the incident after it happened. “Any insinuation of wrongdoing on the part of my husband is completely and utterly false,” she said in a statement Friday. **

Frankly if we looked at the personal history of many of the worlds greatest leaders, what they do in the private lives has little to do with their effectiveness as a leader. We’ve had prime ministers that consulted mediums, Churchill would be considered a drunk by today’s standards, Roosevelt hid his fraility from the US voters, Kennedy was a womanizer, Clinton was a womanizer. The fact that Layton is human and apparently has been in a committed and long term relationship with his wife is all I need to consider about his personal life.

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The only “special massage” worth talking about is the one that the Canadian public has gotten from Stephen Harper over the the last five years, a government whose political style is based on smear and innuendo, a mean spiritedness that appeals to our lowest expectations of others rather than our highest ideals, division rather than common purpose.

Conjecture is repeated over and over in the hope that it will be taken as fact, particularly by the gullible and ill informed. That’s even evident in how this rather tawdry discussion has evolved. There is no evidence that Layton got a “special massage”.

I don’t particularly like Jack Layton. In fact, I don’t particularly like the NDP. But I’m tired of the way that our politics and in a way our character as a people have been debased in recent years by the Harper brand of politics. And that will affect how I will vote tomorrow.

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[quote=“toofattofly”]The rub’n’tug. I think that name is due to be replaced. Soon enough, Johns across Canada may be asking for a Layton. Or, God forbid, asking for hookers to give them the ‘Prime Minister’.
$50 bucks and you can "get Jack elected"
canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/36009[/quote]

Wow … the smear campaigners are out in full force. Thanks for the link to such a credible source of information… NOT

The CANADA FREE PRESS with the byline …because without America there is no Free World…

This site looks to me like the Harper Cons have called on their Republican friends to throw up a few smear sites … all so common in US politics. Thanks but I can’t put any faith in this crap.