Latest BC Liberal Lying Sack of @%^#

Heard Labour Minister on NW gloating that the average young worker in BC makes $13.55 an hour.
And they’ll ‘review’ (AKA do DICK SHIT) the minimum wage.

Same day they REJECTED the recall notice because HST and MLA count as 3 words each time they’re used and therefore made the filing over 200 words and void (excuse me while I run off to Ontario and make sure my stand-ins can’t help you either).

You’se guys are stuck on Carole James leadership when the Libs can’t find anyone in caucus as trustworthy as Hamid Karzai? Re-electing the Libs would be more retarded than the Yanks electing Sarah (Bomb South Korea) Palin for President.

and yet it will happen. We will have another liberal majority government. Especially if Craig james has anything to do with the vote counting. ‘acting chief elections officer’ good to know he’s not making any important decisions whilst we wait (forever?) for a full timer.

Also what the fuck exactly is British columbias chief elections officer doing in ottawa? is he ‘acting’ there too?

[quote=“herbie_popnecker”]
Same day they REJECTED the recall notice because HST and MLA count as 3 words each time they’re used and therefore made the filing over 200 words and void (excuse me while I run off to Ontario and make sure my stand-ins can’t help you either).[/quote]

The BC Liberals didn’t reject the recall notice, Elections BC did.

The Liberals are far from perfect. However the socialists are immeasurably worse. I agree that the Liberals will be reelected. If the socialists ever regain power in this province I and many others will flee to Alberta.

As far as the minimum wage goes, if you want more pay, you have a few options. Get an education. Get some job experience and learn some skills. Move somewhere where your skills are in demand. Or open your own business and see how easy it is to be an employer.

Five years from now the same government will be in power and the same group of people will be whining about it.

On a related topic, how come Premier Danny Williams of Newfoundland resigned effective in 2 weeks, yet when Gordon Campbell resigned it’s taking three months? Is Newfoundland that much more efficient then BC?

Danny Williams is leaving by his choice at the top of his game. Methinks that our Premier was encouraged to depart, hence his protracted resignation.

[quote=“gum”]The Liberals are far from perfect. However the socialists are immeasurably worse. I agree that the Liberals will be reelected. If the socialists ever regain power in this province I and many others will flee to Alberta.

As far as the minimum wage goes, if you want more pay, you have a few options. Get an education. Get some job experience and learn some skills. Move somewhere where your skills are in demand. Or open your own business and see how easy it is to be an employer.

Five years from now the same government will be in power and the same group of people will be whining about it.[/quote]

Yes we know the ppl of your mind. No matter how corrupt, how out of touch with the electorate, how small, how petty at least they’re not soshulists and they’ll support them. We hear from them over and over and wait for one to mention how ‘at least the trains ran on time’.
Maybe one of the Bacon brothers should run for the Liberal leadership.

[quote=“eccentric”]
The BC Liberals didn’t reject the recall notice, Elections BC did.[/quote]

Technically you are correct. However,Craig James is the acting head who was appointed by the Liberals. The head of elections BC is supposed to be chosen unanimously by all parties.

Since being put in the position, he delayed sending the HST initiative to the Legislature. Then he got rid of the deputy head. And now he makes this anally retentive decision.

It shouldn’t take much to reword the recall petition. But seriously, whose side do you think he supports?

[quote=“eccentric”]

[quote=“herbie_popnecker”]
Same day they REJECTED the recall notice because HST and MLA count as 3 words each time they’re used and therefore made the filing over 200 words and void (excuse me while I run off to Ontario and make sure my stand-ins can’t help you either).[/quote]

The BC Liberals didn’t reject the recall notice, Elections BC did.[/quote]

Yes of course you’re right. Is that why they’re behaving that way, to prove just how independent of the government they are? Appearance is everything.

[quote=“herbie_popnecker”]
Maybe one of the Bacon brothers should run for the Liberal leadership.[/quote]

Oh man, you caught me off guard with that one, absolutely classic. :smile:

[quote=“DWhite”]

[quote=“eccentric”]
The BC Liberals didn’t reject the recall notice, Elections BC did.[/quote]

Technically you are correct. However,Craig James is the acting head who was appointed by the Liberals. The head of elections BC is supposed to be chosen unanimously by all parties.

Since being put in the position, he delayed sending the HST initiative to the Legislature. Then he got rid of the deputy head. And now he makes this anally retentive decision.

It shouldn’t take much to reword the recall petition. But seriously, whose side do you think he supports?[/quote]

Exactly. He’s (and by proxy the liberals) have essentially corrupted elections BC. They can no longer be trusted… and seriously what the fuck is he doing in ottawa… what does ottawa have to do with elections bc? Maybe I’m stupid but I dont get it.

I think it’s a parliamentary tradition for the resigning leader to step down, and to let the deputy take the job as a caretaker.

Then a new leader is quickly chosen and holds an election to renew a mandate. That’s the tradition anyway… I can think of a whole bunch of examples of where that pattern was followed (both federally and provincially), but I’m struggling to find an example of a leader resigning and staying in power for such a long time.

What I want to know is if Eccentric supports the HST or not.

Fair enough, but wouldn’t the anti-HST movement take the same opportunity to quash the HST on a technicality if they found one?

Do you support the HST, eccentric?

Not that I’ve ever supported him… but…

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“It is the highest sanity and not a little touch of class to know when to leave. There have been many in politics who found themselves, after much strife and Herculean effort, occupying the biggest chair only to learn that leaving it, when the time came, was even more arduous than winning it in the first place.”

“As I watched Mr. Williams, 61, executing his farewell when he must be scorching near the 100% mark in any provincial polls, I gave a minute to think of how life is playing for other, shall we call them “normal” premiers at this time. Gordon Campbell, a decent man and competent premier, is being shuffled offstage with a 9% rating (popsicle sticks get 9% approval) and Jean Charest is fighting for each successive political breath, harassed by scandal and submerged at 15% in the polls.”

A great piece by one of our country’s greatest commentators, on a politician he didn’t like much either :smile:

[quote=“eccentric”]
Fair enough, but wouldn’t the anti-HST movement take the same opportunity to quash the HST on a technicality if they found one?[/quote]

I am almost feeling anally retentive discussing this.

Are you suggesting that the supposedly unbiased Elections BC found a technicality that they could use to quash the recall initiative?

Apparently the petition had 180 words when MLA and HST were counted as one, over 200 when counted as five and three. Of course it does beg the question on whether or not initialisms are words. Is NATO one word or four? Is sonar one word or four? When common expressions become a part of the everyday vocabulary (and MLA and HST are very common expressions) do we start to quibble over one word or four?

And the rejection isn’t the complete issue here. An entire new application has to be resubmitted. The head organizer in Oak Bay said he could have made the changes in the office. Not good enough. That is why all the canvassers have to resubmit their applications which could take days.

This all done while James is in Ottawa leaving his second in command to answer questions. Unfortunately this second in command is not the one of 28 years experience who he let go as part of “acting” mandate.

As Herbie pointed out, “appearance is everything.”

[quote=“DWhite”]
Are you suggesting that the supposedly unbiased Elections BC found a technicality that they could use to quash the recall initiative?[/quote]

Not really. I guess my suggestion is more that it’s only anal retentive when it works against Fight the HST. I’m just curious how things would be perceived if the situation were reversed.

My dad says he wonders how the situation would be perceived if the Liberals had promised not to bring in the HST, then decided to bring it in anyway?

It is best to get the word and word count issues resolved at this stage than have Ida Chong voted out of office, then reinstated or confirmed in office by court order because an industry group challenges the outcome and a judge finds that there were indeed procedural errors.

I’m not surprised that Craig James ventures to Ottawa on occasion. Elections BC and Elections Canada no doubt cooperate on maintaining voters lists and so on to minimize duplication and unnecessary expenses and avoid electoral confusion.

The issue of BC Elections holding off on sending the HST petition to the legislature has been hacked over here before. The criticism has not been persuasive. James approved the petition for submission to the legislature, an industry group legally blocked him, and when the court ruled in BC Election’s favour he promptly sent the petition to the legislature. Where’s the problem there? As a statutory decision-maker he is subject to judicial supervision, which is a safeguard against bureaucratic oppression. He was right to defer to the court’s processes.

As for the 28 year electoral veteran who was let go, I’ve had problems enough understanding office politics in places I’ve worked let alone in workplaces in far off Victoria. Unless there is a court or arbitration decision that can be pointed to, I don’t think that anyone can comment knowledgeably.

As for allegations about James being is a “Liberal” appointee and biased, hundreds if not thousands of people in the civil service and on boards, commissions and tribunals hold order-in-council or ministerial appointments that routinely continue on after elections, thus demonstrating their independence. Appointments of defeated candidates, party bosses, family members and their hairdressers can and occasionally do raise concerns about administrative independence, but is there any evidence that James is a non-arms length appointee? Information to that effect would be interesting, but none has been forthcoming that I can recall.

The only issue about James that strikes me as concerning is that he is still in an ‘acting’ capacity, because that casts a cloud on his decisions, encourages conspiracy theories and other quests to find boogie-bears that may or may not exist. I love reading dirt about public officials, but evidentiary support for the statements against James has been in rather short supply.

The Globe and Mail claims that the specific word count rules were put in place after the petition was submitted.

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