Wow.
Very sad.
These officers were real people, and I’ll bet somebody here knew one or more of them. These aren’t numbers or statistics or TV. It’s somebody who got up for work this morning, dropped their kids off at school, then were killed doing their job.
Very sad.
I’ve heard a few people remark today… “that’s something you hear about happening in the US, not Canada. This kind of stuff isn’t supposed to happen in Canada.”
It’s amazing to me how desperate criminals can be when they are facing imminant danger. I bet if all the guy had was a dope grow-op, he would have been in and out of jail in less than a year. But instead of that, he shot and killed 4 innocent people, and quite possibly himself afterwards.
Shocking. It’s something that will be felt throughout the country.
Our thoughts go out to the families.
[quote=“smartass”]I’ve heard a few people remark today… “that’s something you hear about happening in the US, not Canada. This kind of stuff isn’t supposed to happen in Canada.”
It’s amazing to me how desperate criminals can be when they are facing imminant danger. I bet if all the guy had was a dope grow-op, he would have been in and out of jail in less than a year. But instead of that, he shot and killed 4 innocent people, and quite possibly himself afterwards.[/quote]
that is true in the states this happens all the time … i mean shit i was living there for 3 months and i herd 4 gun shots in my apt. complex and my apt. complex was filled with students from my school. I also had guns pulled on me with some of my friends while i was down tehre 2 different times. In the states its crazy how many people have guns.
Wow. That is unbelieveable. Really, really sad, for all the families and friends of the officers. And the saddest part of all is, these people were all killed because of the useless shit that are drugs. How frustrating. What a waste of life.
Guns shouldn’t be sold to just anyone. It’s ridicilous how Americans pride themselves on the freedom of being able to own firearms, and then use it to destroy life around themselves. Disgusting. I’ve never seen anything like it.
Yea it hit me pretty hard, rip.
[quote=“Goobylicious”]
Guns shouldn’t be sold to just anyone. It’s ridicilous how Americans pride themselves on the freedom of being able to own firearms, and then use it to destroy life around themselves. Disgusting. I’ve never seen anything like it.[/quote]
We should be proud that we have laws a little more strict about guns than the US. But its times like this that makes me think that the death penalty should still be happening.
[quote=“smartass”]
I bet if all the guy had was a dope grow-op, he would have been in and out of jail in less than a year. But instead of that, he shot and killed 4 innocent people, and quite possibly himself afterwards.[/quote]
This guy wouldave got less than that. A guy here (i have no idea how long ago, but apparently he was a regular at the bars) had a marajuana grow op, a proffessional one too.
His punishment was… drumrole…
he was told he couldnt drive, and he couldnt leave prince rupert.
He wasnt restricted for school zones, from bars, from public places, nothing.
This killer will get more than that though… he should be killed…
In my opinion, there should be one sentence for murderers. If you are found guilty of killing someone, you should yourself be killed. If you feel you must kill someone else, your own life should be on the line.
It’s crazy that all this was just about money, this grow op was for money, and 4 police officers died for one man’s greed.
[quote=“smartass”]I’ve heard a few people remark today… “that’s something you hear about happening in the US, not Canada. This kind of stuff isn’t supposed to happen in Canada.”
It’s amazing to me how desperate criminals can be when they are facing imminant danger. I bet if all the guy had was a dope grow-op, he would have been in and out of jail in less than a year. But instead of that, he shot and killed 4 innocent people, and quite possibly himself afterwards.[/quote]
Regarding things “only happening in America” I believe that we should be preparing ourselves for the worst, regardless of what country we are in.
The world seems to be taking a real turn for the worst, even more so than usual.
Thankfully I have found God and am strengthened by my faith.
The man was found dead inside the quonset. He either shot himself or was killed by one of the police officers.
I have an interesting question to bring up… what were they thinking sending junior officers after a known unstable person and former felon? Especially at the guy’s residence, where he could (and did) have weapons at his disposal?
A couple of points to make:
Yeah because criminals who run grow ops and have violent backgrounds always buy thier guns legally. No way he could have obtained a high powered rifle illegally.
Thats not the way police forces work. When you get out on the street you are considered ready for anything that comes your way. They don’t issue you training wheel’s for your gun. If you want to critisize something I would ask what were they doing sending regular members on this kind of detail, with their regular street equipment, when the evidence at hand should have sent up red flags. This guy had a history of protecting his property and a violent criminal record. Add to that the fact that they were there to deal with stolen property AND a grow op? Grow ops are notorious for being booby trapped and protected by people with guns.
Yes… yes… hindsight is always 20/20. My more distrustful side tells me that this was likely all about money and budgets. It’s a lot cheaper to send out regular members from local detachments than to bring in a team of specialists from out of the area. Those type of decisions are made every day in Policing. Most times they pay off… this time it didn’t.
[quote=“CrazyMike”] I would ask what were they doing sending regular members on this kind of detail, with their regular street equipment, when the evidence at hand should have sent up red flags. This guy had a history of protecting his property and a violent criminal record. Add to that the fact that they were there to deal with stolen property AND a grow op? Grow ops are notorious for being booby trapped and protected by people with guns.
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That’s what I meant. They sent regular officers, to a highly irregular call.
[quote=“Tootz”]
Regarding things “only happening in America” I believe that we should be preparing ourselves for the worst, regardless of what country we are in.
The world seems to be taking a real turn for the worst, even more so than usual.
Thankfully I have found God and am strengthened by my faith.[/quote]
born again, endtimes preachin ? a new low.
Congratulate yourselves for not immediately going on a rant about the dangers of grow-ops
[quote]Mountie deaths trigger calls for tougher penalties for grow ops
Last Updated Mar 4 2005 07:15 PM PST
CBC News
VANCOUVER – B.C. Solicitor General Rich Coleman says prosecutors should seek tougher sentences for criminals involved in marijuana grow ops. [/quote]
[quote]
Saturday, March 5, 2005
For years, everyone saw this coming
Four police officers murdered over a common plant. That, put simply, is why the legalization of marijuana must be treated as an urgent issue of public policy, writes Dan Gardner, who has spent years studying the war on the drug.
Dan Gardner
The Ottawa Citizen
In the eight years that I have been studying and critiquing the war on marijuana, I’ve occasionally been asked why I spend so much time on an issue many people think is, at best, trivial. I answered by citing the involvement of major organized crime networks, the billions of dollars spent on enforcement, and the criminalization of hundreds of thousands of otherwise lawful citizens for consuming a substance that is, by any fair measure, less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco.
But today there is a simpler response: Four men are dead.
Let this be the end of scant attention, of dismissive comments, of news stories laced with trivializing puns and juvenile jokes. Marijuana is an urgent issue of public policy. The police complained for years that the media and the public do not appreciate that this is a serious matter, that the spread of grow-ops is a risk to public safety, that good men and women are in jeopardy every time they bang on a door with a search warrant. They were right all along. Let us respect the police by treating the issue with the same solemnity and gravity they surely feel while contemplating the deaths of their comrades. That means, among others things, not acting rashly. It is only human that the shock and sorrow of such a crime would give way to anger and an urge to hit hard and fast.
Already there have been calls for tougher enforcement and harsher laws, including severe mandatory minimum sentences for marijuana growers. Anne McLellan, the public safety minister, says government is considering just that, while RCMP Commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli has promised a crackdown and a renewed commitment to making “a drug-free Canada.” [/quote]
when the grow-op was incidental to a dangerous lunatic allow to roam at large with a weapon:
[quote]Truck dispute led to RCMP tragedy
Last Updated Sat, 05 Mar 2005 12:49:39 EST
CBC News
MAYERTHORPE, ALTA. - The chain of events that ended in the deaths of four RCMP officers on an Alberta farm began with efforts to repossess a pickup truck.
Suspect James Roszko had stopped payments on the truck, and the dealership financing the vehicle sent a sheriff to take it back, his sister told CBC News.
Roszko’s mother, Stephanie Fifield, said her son took issue with the dealership because it was willing to fix a dented tailgate on the Ford, but not replace it.
A warrant unsealed Friday night says when the sheriff arrived at the farm, a man started shouting at him and released two dogs that appeared to be rottweilers.
Laying flowers at a makeshift memorial outside the Mayerthorpe RCMP detachment (CP photo)
The man sped off and the sheriff called the RCMP for assistance, the warrant says. When the Mounties arrived at the farm, they found what they say was stolen truck parts and about 20 marijuana plants.
Two officers remained overnight Wednesday to secure the area and wait for members of the Edmonton RCMP Auto Theft Unit to bring a warrant and search the property.
At around 9 a.m. Thursday, the two RCMP officers were joined by two other members of their force. Fifteen minutes later, two officers from the Auto Theft Unit arrived.
As they were getting out of their car, they heard shots being fired inside the metal garage, called a Quonset hut.[/quote]
The papers, the tv, the internet is full of reports on ‘dangers of grow ops’, and I don’t count 20 plants as anything more than a personal garden…
Nice to see some people who can’t be fooled. I posted on another thread it’s like when hundreds of US /Marines were killed in 1982 at that Beirut barracks bombing, the problem was with terrorists not with the cedar trees in Lebanon…
I resent the media trying to influence law.
dude. marijuana plants are fuckin expert marksmen.
JFK ? “gunman on the grassy knoll” ?? it WAS the grassy knoll.
little known fact : since the 60’s, when your parents smoked pot, marijuana has been modified from a simple stinky plant with 1-3% THC to a resin-soaked, 45% THC super stalk that shoots electric bolts at law enforcement officers like a freakin tesla coil. THAT is why the police are all over the dangers of grow-ops! We need longer sentences!
Wont you think of the children! think of the poor children who are forced to live in grow-op houses and deal with the “high humidity, and chemicals” of a grow-op. Some cop from ontario actually pulled a “wont you think of the children” this morning on cbc. In between demanding longer sentences and greater powers of property seizure for police forces…right, because that has worked amazingly in the past.
It was about…a month-month and a half ago, I read this in the Province; one man killed his girlfriend, dumped her somewhere, and reported her missing. After 15 months, the body was found and it was proven the boyfriend was the killer. And to boot, he killed her over some small dispute they were having. Guess how much jail time he got? 18 months. And he will probably get out much sooner that that.
My jaw probably dropped reading that article. So…tougher punishments? I can’t see it happening. The system is ridicilous. People keep dying, and the killers get a slap on the wrist. It makes me so angry.
make room for killers in the prison system by reforming our nonviolent crime laws.
meh, legalize pot. it’s a petty little drug. we should stop wasting our time with it, and work towards stopping things like DRUNK DRIVING and rape. f’n system sucks.