Scary moves indeed.
Increasing corporate tax to 12% and increasing the carbon tax on oil & gas…FATAL mistakes!
Also taking away the 1200 RESP benefit…why!?
Increasing tax rates by 3% on people making over 150,000…totally unfair.
There is just nothing positive here IMO.
Oh as much as I think the NDP is the lesser of two evils, I sure agree with points raised…
NDP is great at raising taxes for enviromental 'green" reasons…
Well, apparently you will have a third option:
thenorthernview.com/breaking … 27441.html
There’s a Green candidate now. My guess is that this will not address the concerns you’ve pointed out however.
Also, does anyone know where to find the Liberal’s platform? I find their website woefully uninformative: lots of cliche’s and platitudes but no substance. The Green’s site is very informative, althought they don’t directly address defecit/tax issues, except to say that “individuals, companies, and governments have too much debt.” Captains of the obvious they are.
I was hoping for an third party candidate (conservative or green or w.h.y) because I am very tired of the Liberal corruption and will never vote for the NDP as they do not represent my values at all. Looks like Mr. Arendt will get my vote.
The NDP is almost the Green Party now. They seem to have tried to capitalize on the green movement and have shifted their platform in that direction.
No, they just went back to the 90’s.
Give it a rest. As much as I might disagree with the NDP, they will be far better than Ms. Clark and the Lie-berals. 12 years is too long to be in power, we need a change.
And change will mean more debt, deficit, and taxes. Oh well, at least the freeloaders will be happy.
No, based in what has been announced so far, the BC Liberals are closer to the Green Party than the NDP, at least until 2016. The NDP’s environmental policy is an empty box, other than their position on the Carbon Tax. That is all that we can compare for now.
The Liberals say that as the first jurisdiction in North America to introduce a carbon tax, the current $30/tonne rate would remain unchanged for five years, while other jurisdictions catch up.
After opposing the Liberal’s Carbon Tax in 2009 (“Axe the Tax”) the NDP now support a tax. They emphasize that they would increase the base from the current 70% of emissions to 75%. The Greens would increase that to 100% and increase the tax to $50/tonne.
But the devil is in the details.
The NDP’s Carbon Tax plan would not come into effect until April 1, 2014, when they would charge $10/tonne. That would increase to $20/tonne in 2015. They would not catch up to the Liberals current $30/tonne rate until 2016. So for the next three years the Liberals are actually closer to the Greens on the Carbon Tax. Of course, three years is a long time in politics and what any parties say now may no longer apply by then.
bcndp.ca/files/Backgrounder-Fiscal-Plan.pdf
bcliberals.com/news/in-the-n … ate-freeze
thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/2013/04 … arbon-Tax/
Real scary kids! Oooooohhhh!! Woooooooohhhhh!!!
Just gonna shit bricks because if I ever make over $150,000 or own my own personal gas well… OOooooOOOOOHHH!!!
It’s the bogeyman Marge, it’s the BOGEYMAN!
[quote=“herbie_popnecker”]Real scary kids! Oooooohhhh!! Woooooooohhhhh!!!
Just gonna shit bricks because if I ever make over $150,000 or own my own personal gas well… OOooooOOOOOHHH!!!
It’s the bogeyman Marge, it’s the BOGEYMAN![/quote]
Hahahaha, well-said! That was my feeling as well listening to the president of the BC Chamber of Commerce on CBC radio as he issued dire warnings about the NDP killing off the LNG initiatives here on the North Coast. Absolute rubbish! If the LNG folks are going to invest billions you don’t think that they’ve considered the political climate here in BC?
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No, based in what has been announced so far, the BC Liberals are closer to the Green Party than the NDP, at least until 2016. The NDP’s environmental policy is an empty box, other than their position on the Carbon Tax. That is all that we can compare for now.
The Liberals say that as the first jurisdiction in North America to introduce a carbon tax, the current $30/tonne rate would remain unchanged for five years, while other jurisdictions catch up.
After opposing the Liberal’s Carbon Tax in 2009 (“Axe the Tax”) the NDP now support a tax. They emphasize that they would increase the base from the current 70% of emissions to 75%. The Greens would increase that to 100% and increase the tax to $50/tonne.
But the devil is in the details.
The NDP’s Carbon Tax plan would not come into effect until April 1, 2014, when they would charge $10/tonne. That would increase to $20/tonne in 2015. They would not catch up to the Liberals current $30/tonne rate until 2016. So for the next three years the Liberals are actually closer to the Greens on the Carbon Tax. Of course, three years is a long time in politics and what any parties say now may no longer apply by then.
bcndp.ca/files/Backgrounder-Fiscal-Plan.pdf
bcliberals.com/news/in-the-n … ate-freeze
thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/2013/04 … arbon-Tax/[/quote]
I respectfully disagree. Maybe my use of the word “platform” was out of place but the BCNDP has taken a much harder stance on environmental issues like Enbridge while the BC Liberals have taken a different approach by saying that if it does go through that BC needs to be compensated for the risk. The NDP has clearly opposed it while the Liberals have not been as strong of an opposition voice. The NDP has also taken a much more conservative approach to LNG and have expressed environmental concerns and are less enthusiastic about this industry.
Disagree with what, the numbers? I’ve only presented the available information for comparative purposes (if I have missed something I would be happy to stand corrected). What anyone makes of the numbers is up to them.
I have never had a problem with the Liberals’ Carbon Tax. They were the first to introduce such a tax, in North America apparently. The NDP’s “Axe the Tax” slogan in 2009 was lame. I see the NDP as starting to catch up to the Liberals on carbon policy. Anyone who hates the Carbon Tax should vote Conservative (if they run a candidate) because they are now the only party that opposes it now that the NDP has reversed itself.
On Enbridge I don’t see the Liberals and NDP as being that far apart. The NDP is opposed while the Liberals have set five conditions that Enbridge is unlikely to meet. Anyone who unconditionally supports Enbridge should vote Conservative (again if they run a candidate).
LNG is a bit different. The Liberals are very supportive of LNG, while Dix has not said much. Considering how important LNG would be to this riding I look forward to hearing from Ms Rice on that topic.
[quote=“BTravenn”]
Disagree with what, the numbers? .[/quote]
I disagree with this…“No, based in what has been announced so far, the BC Liberals are closer to the Green Party than the NDP”
The carbon tax is just a money grab, it’s not an environmental position in my view.
We disagree and that’s ok.
[quote=“herbie_popnecker”]Real scary kids! Oooooohhhh!! Woooooooohhhhh!!!
Just gonna shit bricks because if I ever make over $150,000 or own my own personal gas well… OOooooOOOOOHHH!!!
It’s the bogeyman Marge, it’s the BOGEYMAN![/quote]
You missed a few things.
Expanded carbon tax ( oh great, more tax)
Increased corporate tax ( ditto)
Boosting spending ( just what we need, gotta pay for it or not)
Important new public programs-whatever the hell that means (more spending)
Cancelled RESP
At a time when the economies of the world are fragile, now is not the time for more taxing and spending on silly programs. This province is in a position to ride things out on the strength of our business and resource based potential. Or we could turn all socialist and believe that the nanny state knows best and will keep those nasty entrepreneurs and business moguls in check, make them pay for the free daycare the rest of us will enjoy, and we can work less hours, get more stress and sick leave, training leave, longer maternity leaves, have complete job security no matter how under performing we are. I bet that model has worked before, what can possibly go wrong?
Ok, rant over.
[quote=“Crazy Train”]
I disagree with this…“No, based in what has been announced so far, the BC Liberals are closer to the Green Party than the NDP”
The carbon tax is just a money grab, it’s not an environmental position in my view.
We disagree and that’s ok.[/quote]
Yes, that is okay. From what I understand studies are starting to show that carbon taxes contribute to reductions in carbon emissions, which is why the Greens have long supported those taxes. I’m glad that the NDP has now joined the Liberals and the Greens in supporting a Carbon Tax.
On that one issue, if you want less of a “money grab” it would be best to vote NDP because at least until 2016 their Carbon Tax will be lower than the Liberals’ tax and what the Greens propose. On carbon policy the Liberals are greener than the NDP. I know that seems counter-intuitive but those are the numbers.
I’m not that taken aback, to be honest, but then having been a member of both the Liberal party and the Green party I’ve read their policies on these issues.
So you are saying lower carbon tax with NDP?
NDP and there racist remarks!!
That should say their racist remarks. It was one candidate who resigned her candidacy. Let us not forget the cynical move by Christy Clark’s government (ethnogate).