okay im going to open up something here, video of police making arrest in abbotsford. trying not to be judgemental here but actions do speak louder than words, it seems to me that both suspects were under complete control at time of arrest so whats up with the kicking in side and head? hey im not a bleeding heart, but once your arrested and in control any extra and unessasary force becomes an assault, unless suspect is trying to flee or is violent
I heard about that incident on CBC radio yesterday. It sounds like the police are trying to be transparent and they’re starting an investigation of the incident.
I didn’t see any unnecessary violence. It looked as if one suspect was told to keep
his head down and was non compliant so the officer stepped on it to put
it down…he didn’t kick it. At one point the suspect looked to be trying to get up…
that’s when he got a good boot.
No sympathy from me.
Police spokesman said that they were drug dealers and one had tried to get away in a car…I say they should have kicked them harder 
I think they were polish.
+1 for Abbotsford Police.
all interesting thoughts, so its kinda like vigalante justice right?
Wrong. They weren’t meting out justice, they were getting the suspect to comply.
Lay on the ground on your stomach. Now stand up quickly. What’s one of the first parts of your body to rise from the ground? Your head. Control the head, control the body.
I’m not saying it was right or wrong.
video:
Looks like it fits in well with their recruiting video:
[quote=“CrazyMike”]
Lay on the ground on your stomach. Now stand up quickly. What’s one of the first parts of your body to rise from the ground? Your head. Control the head, control the body.[/quote]
Hence the need to walk on a the suspect’s legs when your partner has his foot on the suspect’s head.
Doesn’t look to me like he’s really all that interested in controlling the suspect if he’s going to give up that control just to give the suspect a kick in the ribs. He does this twice.
Then his partner walks across the legs.
This isn’t the Rodney King video, that’s for sure. But these cops are doing more than just controlling the suspects. They are getting in a few extra kicks when possible, and certainly when not necessary. The drug dealers deserve it, right? They are the law.
Meh… VPD need some guys like that.
They should allocated those Starbucks-sipping super douches from the traffic control department to the special anti-drug/gang unit. They have special ego powers.
PS: LOL at Pokemon references on the video.
[quote=“MiG”]
Hence the need to walk on a the suspect’s legs when your partner has his foot on the suspect’s head. [/quote]
Mig you’re a stickler for detail, so watch the video again. When the one officer walks on the suspects legs, the other officer does not have his foot on anyone’s head.
He’s not giving up control. He’s maintaining it. The closest subject to the officer is clearly not listening to direction regarding keeping his head down. The officer tells him to get his head down as he kicks his side with the only appendage he has free. His legs. It’s important that a subject not be allowed to look around to plan his next move.
Again, I’m not saying it was right or wrong. I’m just bringing another perspective.
[quote=“CrazyMike”]
Mig you’re a stickler for detail, so watch the video again. When the one officer walks on the suspects legs, the other officer does not have his foot on anyone’s head.[/quote]
You’re right.
Why does he walk on the legs? That’s the important bit. Is that a control tactic too? I really have no idea about this stuff (ie: I didn’t know about the boot on the head thing until you explained it). Can you explain the walking on the legs bit?
Maybe I don’t get it.
You said that they step on the head to keep the head down.
So if he’s clearly not keeping his head down, why not keep the foot on it? Why take the foot off it and then kick the guy? Then put the foot back on the head, and then take it off and kick the guy again? That’s maintaining control? I think it’s just taking an opportunity to give the guy a few kicks. Why take the foot off the head (three times) if the purpose of the foot on the head is to control it?
And if they’re so interested in maintaining the control of this guy, why do they handcuff him last? The other guy was way more compliant, surely you should cuff the least compliant guy first? Or maybe that’s another example of me not knowing anything about this stuff.
Yeah, it’s not really police brutality. It’s not Rodney King. But they aren’t consistent. There’s no reason to walk on the legs, and no reason to let go of the head if it’s so important to maintain the control.
[quote]
Again, I’m not saying it was right or wrong. I’m just bringing another perspective.[/quote]
And it is appreciated. It may not come across that way, but it does give those of us who are clueless about this stuff an insider’s view.
Instead of taking those free shots at the suspect he should have hand cuffed him when he had his head down in the first place. Any one notice the other suspect, he was not fully down and he looked over to the left but neither of the cops did anything about it.
one needs to ask this question, just suppose that these men were actually innocent,what would happen to these officers?
[quote=“MiG”]
Can you explain the walking on the legs bit?[/quote]
No, I can’t
I can’t read the officer’s mind, but if that was me I wouldn’t stand there with my foot on his head either. The officer has his firearm out, trying to maintain control of two people by himself. The last place you want to be is so close to a subject that they can grab you and take control of your firearm. Training dictates that you try and maintain control while keeping outside the range of arms and legs.
Remember… the subjects have not been searched yet and the officers have no idea what the subjects knowledge or abilities are. They have to treat them with as much caution as they can, while still maintaining control.
Watch it again. While the subject on the camera’s right is moving around the other subject is also not complying. He spends the whole time with his head up, on his elbows. Frankly, they are both non-compliant. Why they choose one over the other to start cuffing, can really only be answered by the officer.
[quote=“CrazyMike”]
Training dictates that you try and maintain control while keeping outside the range of arms and legs. [/quote]
Which is why it’s strange for the officer to walk across the legs, right?
They’re not being very consistent here – is it so important that the suspect not raise his head that he gets stomped on the head three times and kicked in the ribs twice for it, but the other suspect does the same thing and nothing happens.
It’s so important to stay away from the arms and legs while maintaining control that the cop decides to walk across the legs?
Ah well, one thing’s certain: Cops should pretty much assume that everyone out there has a video camera. Welcome to Little Brother 
You and I can certainly agree on that one.