I wouldn’t necessarily say “Rupert” votes NDP regardless…the Liberals core vote in the North Coast riding comes directly from Prince Rupert polls.
The native villages and Queen Charlotte Islands are HUGE NDP areas…if the race is competitive in Prince Rupert, the polls from the island and native villages slam dunk the election for the NDP everytime.
The same is true in the Skeena riding with the Nass Valley polls there.
The Liberals only hope in North Coast is if they win the Prince Rupert vote by a big enough margin to counter the QCI/Native Villages vote for the NDP…that is the only way Liberals win in this riding.
Following the May 14th,2013 election, a significant portion of north and western British Columbia is poised to recede from British Columbia thus creating a new province. Electoral ridings including the Northcoast and Haida Gwaii, Skeena, Stikine, the Central Coast, and possibly the northern part of Vancouver Island that went NDP are unified in their policies towards protecting the environment, and the provision of a social safety net.
A different social ethic exists in this part of Canada. Citizens do not believe in money at all costs. People chose to maintain close connection to family, land , and sea. In fact “wealth” has more to do with cases of canned sockeye in the closet, and home grown potatoes in the bin than the number of active credit cards in one’s wallet and the attending debt.
Priorities of the new province include a stop to the Enbridge pipeline, honouring the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People. An adoption of a living wage, expansion of affordable and co-operative housing; and universal Dental Care would be the order of the day.
“We are ready to go”, said one potential citizen of the new province. “We have fundamental differences in values from Christy Clark’s B.C. Its time to separate. We’ll be fine.”
[quote=“windchime”]Following the May 14th,2013 election, a significant portion of north and western British Columbia is poised to recede from British Columbia thus creating a new province. Electoral ridings including the Northcoast and Haida Gwaii, Skeena, Stikine, the Central Coast, and possibly the northern part of Vancouver Island that went NDP are unified in their policies towards protecting the environment, and the provision of a social safety net.
A different social ethic exists in this part of Canada. Citizens do not believe in money at all costs. People chose to maintain close connection to family, land , and sea. In fact “wealth” has more to do with cases of canned sockeye in the closet, and home grown potatoes in the bin than the number of active credit cards in one’s wallet and the attending debt.
Priorities of the new province include a stop to the Enbridge pipeline, honouring the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People. An adoption of a living wage, expansion of affordable and co-operative housing; and universal Dental Care would be the order of the day.
“We are ready to go”, said one potential citizen of the new province. “We have fundamental differences in values from Christy Clark’s B.C. Its time to separate. We’ll be fine.”[/quote]
Oh ok…so according to you if you voted Liberal you have no social ethics, are money hungry, have no care or connection with family, the land or the sea…gmab.
Your entire post reeks of uppity entitlement…your amount of “care” does not supersede mine or anyone elses (no matter how they voted)…so please get over yourself.
Your just pissed that your party did not win the province like you thought they would…end of story.
A different social ethic exists in this part of Canada. Citizens do not believe in money at all costs. People chose to maintain close connection to family, land , and sea. In fact “wealth” has more to do with cases of canned sockeye in the closet, and home grown potatoes in the bin than the number of active credit cards in one’s wallet and the attending debt.
… and universal Dental Care would be the order of the day.
We’ll be fine."[/quote]
So, the dentist takes canned salmon and potatoes in trade?
Windchime, I hope I see the day that your dream comes true.
First, my taxes will be lower in BC because the taxes to pay for your Utopia will come from transfer payments from the Federal Government! Second, the industry that so wants to come here and create an 1st world economy will avoid your province like the plague and thus generate a better economy for mine.
By the way, I hope you are in good shape and don’t mind butchering small furry animals.
I say this as I am sure your are a person of exemplary integrity and I suspect that trying to catch a year’s inventory of fish from a canoe - you can’t possibly want to use an oil product to run a boat and all that paddling will be demanding. You will butcher animals as you will wear furs and woven cedar - most clothes are now oil byproducts. And you will not use tin canning for tin production also the product of the oil based economy. Such a life might be a bit difficult. And no, don’t even think you can wear cotten. The industrialization of cotten has meant that cotten is also dependent on oil.
Also to not be accused of nimbyism you will also need for forgo the benefits of our existing health care system because all that medical technology is also part of the oil economy and you would not want other parts of the world to have to extract, refine and ship oil or otherwise ‘harm’ their environment so that you could use the benefits.
This may sound bleak. However, be of good cheer!, even though revenues for health care, education, social services will be lower, in your Utopia, you can balance the budget by stealing from the next generation - who will probably move from Utopia when they see their future.
Incidentally, I doubt the dentist and doctor will accept a case of salmon, but that is okay because you will be drying your salmon.
I am trying to reconcile “the largest political choke” with pollsters having “massive egg on their faces”.
Last Friday, after some polls indicated momentum for the Liberals, the final polls still indicated a 6-8% lead for the NDP that was completely reversed last night. Unlike Alberta where the Liberal vote collapsed and went Conservative to keep the Wildrose party out, that doesn’t appear to have happened here. We already knew the Conservative vote would not play much of a spoiler role. So what went wrong? Did Ipsos and Angus Reid totally miss the continuing momentum of the Liberals, or is their methodogy totally screwed up or what? For example, we can blame the NDP for the collapse (it was theirs to lose) but who’s to say that the 20% lead at the beginning was correct if the final tally was so wrong. Did the pollsters ever have it right?[/quote]
The trend might be important, but there is no way you can accurately poll 1000 people and think that will reflect an entire province especially when it comes to something as volatile as politics.
What you consider lies and scandal etc. pales compared to the NDP of the past. And Dix’ baggage in this regard brought it right back to the present.
Not sure I agree with that.
Maybe they think if you “Like” a candidate on Facebook it means something important.
[quote=“DWite”]Finally, I am sad at the adversarial system of politicking where co-operation and consensus no longer seem possible, where differing views, especially differing views within your own party are discouraged. There is a recent documentary called “Whipped” which looks at how our MLAs are pretty much forced to vote with their party despite how they or their constituents might feel. Since 2001, there have been over 32000 individual votes in the BC legislature. In total there have been 80 times when a member of the Liberals or the NDP voted against their own party. That’s .25%. Some people might believe in the sanctity of the caucus room, but if MLAs are too frightened to speak on behalf of their constituents that too is sad.
I will try to be less sad. I hope that the Liberals can make good on their promise to make this a family first province with jobs for everyone but I am also realistic enough to know what is likely to happen: Four more years of disappointment and scandals resulting in a Liberal majority in 2017. You heard it here first.[/quote]
I think the NDP appeared rudderless in this campaign. Historically they have had the backing of trade unions and forest and construction laborers etc., but this time around they seemed to want to embrace the “green” voters and that just confused a whole lot of people I think. This province has always had a resource based economy and a lot of people realize you cannot just wipe that from our slate. There was vague talk of training our youth, but to do what? Where were all the jobs going to come from? There was a lot of spending too, but where was the money going to come from? Again a vague reference to raising taxes on big banks and wealthy people, but where was the plan? What was going to generate jobs and money? The Liberals pretty much based their entire campaign on the economy, and that was what the people wanted to hear.
[quote=“windchime”]Following the May 14th,2013 election, a significant portion of north and western British Columbia is poised to recede from British Columbia thus creating a new province. Electoral ridings including the Northcoast and Haida Gwaii, Skeena, Stikine, the Central Coast, and possibly the northern part of Vancouver Island that went NDP are unified in their policies towards protecting the environment, and the provision of a social safety net.
A different social ethic exists in this part of Canada. Citizens do not believe in money at all costs. People chose to maintain close connection to family, land , and sea. In fact “wealth” has more to do with cases of canned sockeye in the closet, and home grown potatoes in the bin than the number of active credit cards in one’s wallet and the attending debt.
Priorities of the new province include a stop to the Enbridge pipeline, honouring the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People. An adoption of a living wage, expansion of affordable and co-operative housing; and universal Dental Care would be the order of the day.
“We are ready to go”, said one potential citizen of the new province. “We have fundamental differences in values from Christy Clark’s B.C. Its time to separate. We’ll be fine.”[/quote]
let them seperate, what will they do for an economy? no mining, or resource extraction allowed, so how will they get jobs to pay for their services? hmmmmmm wonder if they thought of that at all.
and on a side not on Rice, the Langely Mayor is resigning because he won his seat in the election, thus causing a byelection.
[quote=“windchime”]Following the May 14th,2013 election, a significant portion of north and western British Columbia is poised to recede from British Columbia thus creating a new province. Electoral ridings including the Northcoast and Haida Gwaii, Skeena, Stikine, the Central Coast, and possibly the northern part of Vancouver Island that went NDP are unified in their policies towards protecting the environment, and the provision of a social safety net.
A different social ethic exists in this part of Canada. Citizens do not believe in money at all costs. People chose to maintain close connection to family, land , and sea. In fact “wealth” has more to do with cases of canned sockeye in the closet, and home grown potatoes in the bin than the number of active credit cards in one’s wallet and the attending debt.
Priorities of the new province include a stop to the Enbridge pipeline, honouring the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People. An adoption of a living wage, expansion of affordable and co-operative housing; and universal Dental Care would be the order of the day.
“We are ready to go”, said one potential citizen of the new province. “We have fundamental differences in values from Christy Clark’s B.C. Its time to separate. We’ll be fine.”[/quote]
With the internet and HTMF, it is hard to tell, but I thought this was a joke, making fun of the fact that the northwest continues to be different from the rest of the province. Writing it up like a newspaper account to give the feel of validity is definitely a satirical technique.
So this is either pretty good satire and worthy of a compliment or horrible trolling and worthy of being ignored.
[quote=“Soggy”]@windchime: The word you were looking for was “secede”.
Love the story, and I’m in as citizen of this new province. Best of all, I won’t have to move.[/quote]
I thought recede was part of the joke.
[quote=“Jabber63”]
and on a side not on Rice, the Langely Mayor is resigning because he won his seat in the election, thus causing a byelection.[/quote]
Jennifer and the mayor in Langley are not the only ones to decide what they have to do. The question that needs to be asked is do we want the expense of a bye election. I believe that Jennifer can wait until the new year before resigning saving the city the expense of an election. Can we survive, a year and a half without a member of council?
I am not sure what you are disagreeing with because you seem to have made my point. My point is that I am sad that a government can be re-elected despite lies and scandals. And the reason they get re-elected is because the alternative is not viable (at least according the majority of voters). You agree that the Liberals had lies and scandals (you can’t be happy with that) yet you still voted for them because the alternative was not viable.
My disgust for the Liberals trumped my worries about the NDP.
Your fear of the NDP trumped your disappointment at lies and scandals.
I don’t think either of us is wrong. I just think it’s sad that we were are forced into making that kind of decision. And perhaps that is why so many people don’t bother voting.
DWhite, isn’t it possible that the majority of Liberal voters did so because they thought it was a good choice, not because it was their only choice? It is possible to support a party that has made mistakes, which you call lies and scandals. Dix supporters should know, as they happily turned a blind eye to his ‘mistake’.
By constantly going on about the ‘lies’ and ‘scandals’ of the BC Liberals the NDP focused attention on their own history, and their leader’s personal history, of lies and scandals when last in government. That was a huge mistake. The NDP needs to come up with more positive messages. As in federal politics, there is a point where voters ‘change the channel’.
I think BC voters know both parties have had their fair share of scandal and lies. The difference between now and the 1990’s is the Liberals have not led the province into economic/financial hell like the NDP did…if people were as pissed as they were in the 1990’s…the Liberals would have been tossed on their ass like BC did to the NDP in 2001.
Its clear BC trusts the economy in the hands of the Liberal over the NDP and that is why the Liberals won the election.
Well apparently the electorate don’t agree with your assessment. They have obviously forgiven the Liberals for their mistakes over the past 12 years (giving them a higher majority than last election), but have not yet moved on from the NDP scandals of the 90’s.
Keith Baldrey said it best, and its sums up my sentiments as well. After the election, he stated that voters obviously chose to look forward instead of backwards. Who is best to run our province during this pivotal time in our history? Also, apparently Dix bold position on the Kinder Morgan pipeline didnt sit we’ll with many if his usually supporters.
I agree with the Province stating that Dix campaigning hard in Kamloops/Kelowna/Prince George/Vernon/Fraser Valley which are traditional Liberal strong-holds was a MASSIVE mistake.
He should have been concentrating more on the Metro Vancouver ridings where the race was MUCH tighter. (and perhaps his lack of visit to the Skeena riding is why they almost made that seat one of their 5th lost on the night)
