Lmbo, I totally agree with you on this one Jesus. Funny part is I was thinking exactly what you said about the smell of the fish in the summer and then read your post. People will always find something to gripe about.
I happen to like the sound of the train and find it comforting as strange as that may sound. And to add one more, if people did move out to the sticks where they had total peace and quiet they would whine about that too, then it would be about the wild animals that are roaming around lol or god forbid they might have to ‘gasp’ chop wood and carry water, 
I bet those same people out on Graham aren’t whining about how about much their homes are worth now, part in thanks to the Port. Like Jesus said 'buy better windows/insulation!
When I lived on Atlin in the 80’s, there were train horns, ferry horn blasts and even tug-boat lights that would liven things up. It was a reminder that we shared the neighbourhood with industry and while admittedly over the years the industry waned, it never completely went away. Same thing with the fish rendering days…you just learned to live with it. Like I said earlier, it’s very possible to sleep through the noise you get from trains. The trains were there first, the neighbourhood came second. People just have forgotten what it was like to have a bustling Rupert waterfront is all.
These people have a valid point, when I lived in Rupert I was on 7th east about 7-8 houses from the “S” turn at the top of mcbride and I could hear the train horn from my house so one could amagine the folks on graham are really fucking hearing it yeah?
So I’m sure everyone in this thread is fine waving the social issues that go along with gambling because of the economic benefit that comes with Chances, right?
I’ve never been in Chances so I can’t really comment on it or what it’s done to Rupert but my husband says that he thinks that the downtown core is extremely dead in the evenings because people are there and not in the other restaurants,etc. He came away from there during a recent trip thinking that perhaps the local economy didn’t see an overall boost from the casino in the way whichever city council that allowed the gaming liscence was persuaded they would. So it’s hard saying that the social issues are the problem when it would seem that the casino didn’t help other local businesses thrive either…
What I am saying is that if you bought a home in a neighborhood overlooking an industrial area, you have to expect that at some point there is going to be industrial noise, smell,etc. I find this discussion massively ironic because when we moved away from Rupert to a small town where the older residents were grumbling over growth and change because of overseas investment and tourism, I was saying they should not be so negative because I came from a place that would have killed for some economic growth…damn if the same thing isn’t happening up there too.
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There’s an old saying that “opinions are like ass holes, everyone has one.” And everyone is entitled to theirs, however, whatever peoples opinions are on this issue, the fact is that what it has effectively done is restrict rail activity and rail volumes down at the the container port, as they need to use these tracks to shunt the high volume of rail cars coming in and out of the fairview container facility and now Maher terminals is not allowed to use these tracks which is a very negative impact on their operations in terms of the rail car volumes being handled, as they rely on and need to use these tracks and there are very limited options available to them. So all of the people who have hopes and dreams of port expansion and the economic benefits of this really need to think about the consequences of their actions. Suck it up buttercup, you people cannot have your cake and eat it too.
Just to clear up something here. It is not Oona River blockading anything. It is Kitkatla blockading a legitimate industry. Get a grip people. Whining about a bit of noise. Perhaps we should shut down the Port and all other things we disagree with. How many of you whinners or is it weiners , jobs are relying on the spin off that this industry creates.
Chaos is right, do the people in this town want the economy to grow in the future. The CN yard needs to be accessed. With all this complaining do you really think that they MAHER will expand. Oh and just off topic a bit, We pay pretty high taxes too and have been waiting to get our street fixed for years (its a mogul course), but I notice Graham and Atlin don’t seem to have that problem, the city keeps their roads pretty damn good.
I do not think expansion of the existing port and and access to the CN yard in connected as firmly as everyone thinks. It is just the easiest solution.
I really do believe that property could be better utilized by the city for other purposes and make a railyard as part of the expansion, to the south of the existing terminal.
[quote=“chiefdave”]I do not think expansion of the existing port and and access to the CN yard in connected as firmly as everyone thinks. It is just the easiest solution.
I really do believe that property could be better utilized by the city for other purposes and make a railyard as part of the expansion, to the south of the existing terminal.[/quote]
and what have them have to go through the legal hassle of ‘consulting’ the natives again before they can use the land? why would any sane person want to do business up here. You have to deal with blockades because you didnt grease the right palms, whining people who don’t like the noise. Like fuck I’ll ever do business here.
Well, I guess it is pretty clear that the Federal Government, Prince Rupert Port Corp, Maher terminals and CN are not competent enough to get er done, I mean what have they ever done for the North Coast.
The bottom line is, this is about money, but it is more than that for the First Nation, but you can spin it however you want.
I lived on Moresby avenue and never heard these loud whistles people are talking about, maybe I wasn’t listening, or maybe I just got used to it. And now, I live near the seaplane base, the noise from those is pretty loud too but again, I’m used to it. That’s life. We have to do, see, hear things, that we may not want to. If these are things that are making money for families in this town, and keeping them here, and also bringing them into town, possibly. Why is it such a problem? First, complain about how this place is dying, and then the second something comes in, that can possibly disrupt our creature comforts, we’re up in arms about it.
I also would like to know how you would feel if the whistles didn’t blow, and it was your kid standing on the tracks, unaware of the train coming. Or your teenager, with his shiny new N, crossing the tracks anywhere along the line not paying attention to things around him. Like I learned in elementary school. Anytime is train time. In other words, be happy they’re blowing their whistles, because they’re doing it four our well being, not to be a nuisance.
its true! no matter how much we discuss the issues from every side, prince rupert still totally sucks balls !
[quote=“bubbasteve735”]I lived on Moresby avenue and never heard these loud whistles people are talking about, maybe I wasn’t listening, or maybe I just got used to it. And now, I live near the seaplane base, the noise from those is pretty loud too but again, I’m used to it. That’s life. We have to do, see, hear things, that we may not want to. If these are things that are making money for families in this town, and keeping them here, and also bringing them into town, possibly. Why is it such a problem? First, complain about how this place is dying, and then the second something comes in, that can possibly disrupt our creature comforts, we’re up in arms about it.
I also would like to know how you would feel if the whistles didn’t blow, and it was your kid standing on the tracks, unaware of the train coming. Or your teenager, with his shiny new N, crossing the tracks anywhere along the line not paying attention to things around him. Like I learned in elementary school. Anytime is train time. In other words, be happy they’re blowing their whistles, because they’re doing it four our well being, not to be a nuisance.[/quote]
So the seaplanes land after dark? Being open for business doesn’t mean that you need to accept unrestricted pollution or noise but that you set clear expectations for industry as to what is acceptable. That’s where municipal leadership comes in. Controlled rail crossings are not new nor are they too much to ask for when you’re building an international port where rail traffic will be heavy and constant.
As for the hyperbole about your kids etc… No one is saying you stop the whistling without other methods of controlling the danger. Controlled rail crossings frankly are safer than relying on whistles at uncontrolled rail crossings which is the situation now. Maybe if people did a little research instead of ripping at their neighbours, this town would move ahead instead of being stuck in the 80’s.
Seaplanes aren’t alloud to fly in the dark or at night they are VFR only
And what about the people who live near airports?
How bout everone else stops living in the stone age and wakes up to industry, it’s here, CN can do WHATEVER the hell it likes. And since it took over the round house, I’m betting they’re gearing up for much more rail traffic than there is now…
It’s not attacking neighbors, I know plenty of people that live on graham who don’t spend their time bitching about train whistles. Get used to it or get out.
[quote=“bubbasteve735”]And what about the people who live near airports?
How bout everone else stops living in the stone age and wakes up to industry, it’s here, CN can do WHATEVER the hell it likes. And since it took over the round house, I’m betting they’re gearing up for much more rail traffic than there is now…
It’s not attacking neighbors, I know plenty of people that live on graham who don’t spend their time bitching about train whistles. Get used to it or get out.[/quote]
In response to your question about airports, every municipality / city deals with these differently and even then there are noise bylaws and noise abatement procedures that the airline industry has to follow that are no doubt expensive and inconvenient. Industry realizes that a cost of doing business is working with neighbours to mitigate the harmful and annoying byproducts of their activity.
As for saying CN can do whatever the hell it likes… last time I looked there were regulations they need to follow and one of these is respecting municipal bylaws where municipal politicians display some leadership. Frankly, that’s great news that CN is gearing up for much more rail traffic and if council was proactive, they would be addressing this issue which happens within the borders of the village of Prince Rupert.
[quote=“Speakuppr”]Industry realizes that a cost of doing business is working with neighbours to mitigate the harmful and annoying byproducts of their activity.
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So has any of the concerned people in the neighbourhood let CN know of their noise concerns?
Are there any methods of mitigating or lessening the sounds to acceptable levels, which heve been proposed to CN?
Not to sing the same old tune, but, all I am hearing are the complaints.
Hey if they don’t like the noise, I will move into their house. The sound of the train whistle does not bother me. They probably wouldn’t like the sound of the bells from a controlled crossing either.
Vancouver airport had to address noise concerns and changed landing and takeoff times .CN had a meeting with city hall a while back when the noise issue first surfaced .The cost of a controlled crossing was seen to be too expensive based on the low volume of traffic.I don’t live on Graham or Atlin but we can hear the train all hours of day and nite.The deal when the port was expanding to containers was that CN was looking at south Kaien island for rail yard.When VIA comes in at the same crossing you can hardly hear them.This is bs about it is the sound of money coming into PR.Noise bylaws prevent others from making noise all nite long!I am not against the port or CN,but there is an answer to the complaints,all Jacko has to do is show some leadership(like that will happen).