Butze Trail Morons

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[quote]How about a bylaw / law that states if the person trekking in such danger areas “with” their animal and a) Wildlife must be “CULLED” (see other thread!) and b) Conservation Officers or RCMP are called to assist then: The owner of domesticated animal will 1) Be subject to fine totalling no less than the cost of emergency personell and destruction of animal where applicable 2) May or may not be subject to seizure or euthanization of domesticated animal.

Seems only fair I would assert. That’ll teach hapazard, ignorant people from walking or partaking in activities that pose a danger to their animals. I think that people who venture into the bush should be educated enough to understand how to fend off all but the worst animals and have the proper equipment and life skills to do so.[/quote]

Not fair for the dog !!! Your suggesting killing a pet dog to punish its master for his/her irresponsibility which led to a wolf’s termination!!!

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"The owner of domesticated animal will 1) Be subject to fine totalling no less than the cost of emergency personell and destruction of animal where applicable " quote.

I like this idea. killing the dog isnt fair because its the owners fault. I think a fine would definetly stop people from being so ignorant to the fact that there are dangers when walking a pet in the wilderness.

Also there is no need for more signs. There are signs there and they are clear. If you dont understand them go back to school and learn to read or bring someone to Butze with you whom can explain what the signs mean.

Also I understand that the lady who caused all this feels bad and she is most likely not a moron, however she made a moronic choice to take her dog with her and should have some kind of consequences for her actions ie) having to pay for the RCMP and Conservationist to come and for the destruction of the INNOCENT animal.

BOTTOM LINE - Everyone knows there are wolves on Butze. If you want to walk your dogs there go ahead, but knowone cares if you get chased or your pet gets attacked. If you need help it should cost you…the whole thing reminds me of the story about the boy who cried wolf. The story is overplayed and people just dont get it.

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I like the idea of having to pay for the “conservation” activities, a fine of some sort and maybe having to donate to the wildlife shelter or something. That trail is clearly marked, and a wolf had to be conserved because of somebody’s cavalier attitude.

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one thing that has been left out of the conversation is the fact that the trail exists at all.

We could easily get into the arguement of how ‘we’ have ruined what is natural wolf habitat by grooming that trail in the first place, not to mention the amount of foot traffice that the trail sees on any given day.

Another lure for the wolves in that area aside from the dozens of dogs that do that trail on a weekly basis with their owners (with no resulting wolf attacks or stalks) is the amount of food and garbage left lieing about. Usually not a major problem in that area as most people respect it. But Ive picked up a ton of food garbage over the years of walking it and yes I take my dogs.

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If the trail was not there, we would not be having any conversation.
Garbage and litter is a whole different issue, different people trying to enforce or monitor different issues this trail faces.

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[quote=“Dex”]

Shoot the owner who does not read the signs and for putting their dog and the wolf at risk . This is all so much bullshit. Yes they all know this is some of the Wolves domain but they choose to trek in no matter what the risks are. Give the owners a stiff fine and remove their dog because the owner is neglecting the safety of their pet .

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[quote=“Justin Case”]

[quote=“Dex”]

Shoot the owner who does not read the signs and for putting their dog and the wolf at risk . This is all so much bullshit.[/quote]

Hey, I like that idea. Thin the herd. In all honesty, the “euthanize the owner’s animal” was an anecdote exploiting the how surreal I find it that people in this city, still proceed to walk their animals in known areas where wolves, bears and other wildlife are and, directly or indirectly cause the death of an animal.

Indeed.

For people venturing into the bush, check your local hunting store (3rd Avenue): they have devices called bear bangers which are a pen-like apparatus that you screw one round of the “bear banger” onto - which when needed, you pull the pin back and the bear banger launches about 30 ft and creates an extremely loud explosion/audible report. If necessary, you could even aim the bear banger at or near a bear or wolfe - I’ve had one go off near my head (4ft) and other than ringing ears and startle from the concussion, all was fine.

Spend the money. Use your head.

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ok im sorry should i reply to all i have read umm i guess so i understand the feeling on a wolve being killed i do but it sucks that something has to get killed
by a wild animal or attacked by one enywhere be fore something it done i dont mean to sound rude on this but if that wolve had attacked those people
how would you feel then but i do agree with you no dogs should be there at all i mean it is winter it is hunting time read that againg it is WINTER IT IS HUNTING TIME FOR WOLVES!!! are they hungry well of course is there alot of food in these parts no and think about this one to if there is deer in that area and the wolves see you in that area then the wolves will think you trying to invade there hunting area this time of year. this subject it like ok the people who drives cars in town they dont care about people crossing cross walks because the drivers believe that there area and people crossing should get out of the way or stay on the side walk and if that person hits someone walking the first thing the driver will say IT WAS THERE THE OTHER PERSONS FAULT THEY WERE CROSSING WITH OUT LOOKING!!! i have lived in this town for many years and i study all these things if you think i dont know wild animals then you dont know me. oh and to the drivers in this town open your eyes how many people have being hit run over or almost hit and i have being one of them 4 times my thing the next time someone going to have a big dent if there car or truck and when the cops ask lol well they werent watching where they were going i was just crossing lol anyway that my story and im sticking to it thank you for taking the time in reading my reply

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A few years ago I had the misfortune ( I look at it now as a fortunate experience !)to be hiking down Wantage Rd. at dusk. Bad timing but I was ignorant to wildlife and and the possible dangers. My friend and I were suddenly flanked by 5 wolves. Had I been alone I would have done the stupid but probably natural thing and RUN! He said make a lot of noise, walk normally and slowly away and don’t look back. I accomplished the first( without screaming!) and also flashed my camera at them and walked slowly towards the city yard trying not to look behind me but heard them walking alongside in the bushes. I was scared to death but also awestruck at the beauty of these animals. We all must respect their nature, live accordingly and obey the regulations that are provided to us for our safety and theirs. This wolf did not have to die. Be smart out there and walk your dogs at the beach, Kwinitsa or other areas safely monitored by those in the know. Very sad and so preventable.

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What’s the fuss here? A woman takes her dog with her on a trail. A wolf gets killed. So what?
The dog’s there to scare off perverts, rapists and wild animals. If necessary to be the sacrificial lamb, because it’s a dog.
I sure as hell won’t tell my daughter not to take the dog if she’s walking a trail.
Evolution works by the wild animal that fails to associate person and dog as a unit dies. The ones that do live to pass on their genes.

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new sign stay the hell of the trail with animals once again stay of the trial with animals
there are hungry wolves bring a steak instead then im sure these idiots will get it lmao

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[quote=“herbie_popnecker”]What’s the fuss here? A woman takes her dog with her on a trail. A wolf gets killed. So what?
The dog’s there to scare off perverts, rapists and wild animals. If necessary to be the sacrificial lamb, because it’s a dog.
I sure as hell won’t tell my daughter not to take the dog if she’s walking a trail.
Evolution works by the wild animal that fails to associate person and dog as a unit dies. The ones that do live to pass on their genes.[/quote]

Well said.

The wolf was a threat and needed to be dealt with. Blame the hikers if you must for bringing their pets, but if you don’t destroy problem wildlife it could be you or someone you care about who suffers the consequences. As far as blaming the hikers for having their dogs with them I find no fault in that either. A dog is a companion and protection and I won’t leave mine at home while I go for a hike regardless of any signs telling me otherwise.

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Well it is idiots like the last poster that cause the poor wolf to be put down,the sign is there for everyone except me.Go on the golf course and you will almost always see wolves,they are all around the industrial park as well,not killed every time they are seen.

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Nobody said wolves are killed every time they are seen. This wolf was an exception due to the behavior it was exhibiting. Also, wolves are all over this island. Therefore I suggest we post a sign at Galloway rapids bridge banning pets to protect the wolves.

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This is all a bunch of bullshit. The only person that a wolf or wolves is going to attack is a child under 12. Now what the hell would a 12 year old be doing walking down butze alone? I think that the parents should be shot in that case rather than a innocent wolf. Secondly think of how many wolves there are everywhere in the north. Next are they going to go up the mountain and shoot them because people bring their dogs up there as well? I have a small daughter and if a wolf comes into my back yard looking for a snack by all means shoot the fucker , but if they are on their own trail in their own neighborhood then I say let them be. Is it really fair to kill them in their home? Its the equivilant to them killing us because we are a danger to them. Sounds pretty dumb doesn’t it?

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Funny for everyone to worry so much. How many wolf attacks were there in Rupert in the last 10 years on humans? Better yet how many wolf attacks in Canada has there been in the last 10 years? World?

Following the recent death of a Canadian man from an apparent wolf attack, experts at the International Wolf Center say that wolf attacks remain extremely rare and usually occur after people feed wolves or allow wolves to eat garbage.

While hiking in remote Northern Saskatchewan in early November, 22-year-old geology student Kenton Joel Carnegie was apparently killed by a pack of four wolves. If an ongoing investigation confirms that wolves were the cause of death, it will be the first recorded instance of healthy, wild wolves killing a human in North America. The Canadian wildlife biologist conducting the investigation has found evidence that residents in the area may have been feeding the wolves thought to be responsible for Carnegie’s death.

A few organizations and publications are using the incident to raise the alarm that there will be many more attacks and people should be afraid. Scientists disagree.

“Fatal wolf attacks have always been, and will continue to be, extraordinarily rare events,” says Dr. L. David Mech, founder of the non-profit International Wolf Center and a wolf biologist with the United States Geological Survey. “Mr. Carnegie’s death is a terrible tragedy but one fatal wolf attack in the recorded history of North America does not warrant widespread alarm.”

Though this was the first recorded fatal attack in North America, researchers have documented 26 non-fatal attacks, most of which resulted in only minor injuries. The common factor in 21 of those attacks as well as Carnegie’s death is wolves that received human food.

According to the Center, wolves are generally shy animals that fear humans and tend to avoid human-inhabited areas. Wolves can lose their aversion to people, however, when they have frequent close contact with humans and receive food rewards for their boldness. Once this happens, wolves are much more likely to approach humans and human-populated areas. This leads to trouble for wolves and people.

“When we teach wolves to lose their fear of humans or associate humans with food the chances of conflict greatly increase,” said Dr. Mech. “The results can include dead pets, dead wolves, and, very rarely, attacks on people.”

Wolves are not the only animals that cause problems when fed or taught not to fear people. Garbage bears and raccoons are the most infamous examples but the problem is also seen in deer, geese, rodents and countless other animals.

THATS RIGHT 26 TOTAL ATTACKS IN NORTH AMERICA, EVER!!! Everyone go out and buy your lottery ticket because you have a better chance at winning the lottery twice than getting attacked by a wolf , Literally…

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26 Total Attacks.
That’s only because most of the people in wilderness areas carry guns. The attack is stopped before it’s ever and attack.
And there is lot’s of people that go missing in the back country to never be found again. Can you tell me for sure that it wasn’t a wolf that got them?

I’ll be the first to say that the chance of an attack is rare. But if a wolf is following someone with their dog, then the wolf is probably hungry. This is a hard time of year for them. There is no fish in the streams, and fawns are not born yet. That wolf would have attacked someone if it didn’t get food soon most likely.

A 12 year old wouldn’t be walking Butze alone, but they might be walking 20-30 feet from their parents.
And a 5 year old looks just as tasty as any dog, especially the little fat ones.

Wolf populations are healthy here in BC, I won’t cry for one that was probably malnourished, definitely hungry, and definitely a threat to human safety.

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That makes no sense at all. Everyone carries guns in the bush? That is madness! And to say those kids are 30 feet away from their parents is still fucked right up. Who lets their kids wander that far ahead on a known trail that has bears and wolves ? Stupid people such as yourself thats who. And if they are a threat to human safety why has there never been an attack on a human in Rupert? Should they start killing all the deer because they cause accidents on highways? It makes about as much sense. I see killing them in town but in this case you are dead wrong!!!

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Like your post ! I wonder what kind of responsible pet owner sees a sign warning of wolves in the area, forbids dogs on the trail and then walks them there anyway? The wolves may go after the pet, that is why they are in the vicinity of these hikers and their dogs. If you disregard a warning and something happens to your pet and then you call the conservation officer and he kills the wolf, well you are really one with nature then aren’t you ? Leave your dogs at home and you won’t have to worry about them getting mauled or worse. I know last time I walked the trail, a few years ago, people had their dogs off leash, running up and down the trail, yelling at them to come back etc. A real peaceful time that was ! And it is true, kids were running all over the place, way off the trail , playing in the bush, that’s crap! Didn’t see anyone carrying a gun though considering "everyone " does !!

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Heaven forbid kids play in the bush or walk 30 feet away from their parents on a trail. Haha, ridiculous.