Interesting documentary. Sadly, in the rush to release it before the election the anti-Dix forces forgot that Adrian Dix: killed off POGS, did away with Pokeman, was responsible for the downfall of the Spice Girls and the rise of Brittney Spears, stood in the way of Elmo achieving fame and forced Mr. Dress-Up into retirement and Glen Clark into retirement. Oh the infamy of the man - is it really 2013 already?
Well one thing there is no doubt about, he has fraudulently falsified a government document for the purposes of obstructing justice while holding a privileged position in the ruling government at the time. An absolutely despicable act. He may have apologized for his actions, but even if one were to believe/forgive him it is more than a little regressive to accept him years later as the leader of the party and potential Premiere of the province. Maybe people’s unconditional brand loyalty obstructs their sense of reason; they should ask themselves if it would ever under any circumstances be proper to consider Virk or Basi as Liberal party leader and possible Premiere at some future date. What a disappointing state of politics in British Columbia at this time.
Well, while we’re on the topic of despicable acts the Liberal government shelled out $6,000,000 for legal fees (BC Rail). The Liberal government lied about the HST (they claim it was not on their radar). The Liberals spent $15,000,000 and counting of BC tax payer money on partisan political ads. And for sheer ugliness don’t forget ethno-gate. Oh, and don’t forget a former drunken premier who had twice the legal blood alcohol level in his blood stream when he was pulled over in Hawaii. That was a misdemeanor in Hawaii, but a criminal code offense here in Canada.
Adrian Dix has a long way to go before he can be in the same league as the Liberals.
so Campbell was prosecuted in the jurisdiction he was caught in, but we should prosecute him in BC as well? he paid his time for his drunk driving conviction but at least he paid for it, did Dix get prosecuted for commiting a felony? NO. who paid for his lawyers? even money says it was the BC Government. did the liberals at the time call for a public inquiry as to why the government paid his lawyer fees or why he wasn’t charged? as far as i can remember the answer is NO.
oh wait he apologized not for commiting a felony but for making a mistake, but that was only after he knew it was going to come back and bite him in the ass as he wanted to run for the NDP leadership.
Although I admire Hitest’s hindsight I believe he opened the door to what the extreme leftist hoards (or is it rightist hoards? - I can never remember which is which) wanted. They were waiting with eager anticipation to begin to negatively attack Dix, the NDP, and Justin Beiber as well as anyone else who they can use as a distraction from the Liberal record. So now that the door is open…let’s enjoy the negative wallowing then tomorrow more on to deal with more substantive issues - like is it really 2013?
[quote=“Jabber63”]so Campbell was prosecuted in the jurisdiction he was caught in, but we should prosecute him in BC as well? he paid his time for his drunk driving conviction but at least he paid for it, did Dix get prosecuted for commiting a felony? NO. who paid for his lawyers? even money says it was the BC Government. did the liberals at the time call for a public inquiry as to why the government paid his lawyer fees or why he wasn’t charged? as far as i can remember the answer is NO.
oh wait he apologized not for commiting a felony but for making a mistake, but that was only after he knew it was going to come back and bite him in the ass as he wanted to run for the NDP leadership.[/quote]
Dix was not charged. He does not have a criminal record. Get over it. 
The Liberals sure went after Glen Clark over his scandal. Clark resigned as Premier. Clark was later acquitted of all charges; he did nothing wrong. The judge said Clark exercised poor judgement. Clark has no criminal record. Campbell was charged in Hawaii and chose to stay on as Premier. Should Gordo have been charged in BC? Of course not, he did not commit the crime in BC. Do the Liberals have the moral high ground over the NDP? I don’t see it.
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act.
Well, while we’re on the topic of despicable acts the Liberal government shelled out $6,000,000 for legal fees (BC Rail). The Liberal government lied about the HST (they claim it was not on their radar). The Liberals spent $15,000,000 and counting of BC tax payer money on partisan political ads. And for sheer ugliness don’t forget ethno-gate. Oh, and don’t forget a former drunken premier who had twice the legal blood alcohol level in his blood stream when he was pulled over in Hawaii. That was a misdemeanor in Hawaii, but a criminal code offense here in Canada.
Adrian Dix has a long way to go before he can be in the same league as the Liberals.[/quote]
Well this is one way of rationalizing your cognitive dissonance. We were talking about Dix and the NDP’s shortcomings and your only response is to inform us the Liberals are worse. “Projection” ! If you really are a party supporter I would suggest not being afraid to admit and confront your own party’s shortcomings.
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Well this is one way of rationalizing your cognitive dissonance. We were talking about Dix and the NDP’s shortcomings and your only response is to inform us the Liberals are worse. “Projection” ! If you really are a party supporter I would suggest not being afraid to admit and confront your own party’s shortcomings.[/quote]
First, let me say that the attacks on Dix are laughable if that is all of the ammunition that the Liberals have for the upcoming campaign. Naturally the Dix attacks open the door to the misdeeds of the Liberals. Dix made a mistake which he acknowledged(no charges laid). I have no problem with confronting the shortcomings of the NDP. Fire away. Agreed. I do think that the Liberals are worse when it comes to misdeeds.
I am a member of the BC NDP, but I am not happy with the party. I will let my membership lapse. I don’t particularly like Dix, I find his personality irritating. I will in all likelihood vote NDP because I do not have another viable alternative at this point. I am not a party supporter. It is clear to me that the Liberals have lost the moral authority to lead. They need to go.
The negative campaign against Dix has not (at least so far) worked.
And the NDP response through this ad may be the tonic that is required to get rid of negative campaigning.
The Conservatives unfairly went after Michael Ignatieff because he had been a world traveller and lived in other countries; therefore “he didn’t come back for you”. That was a totally bogus criticism.
The criticism of Dix’s memo fudging is more valid. However, it did happen 14 years ago and he has been open about it. The wonderful thing about democracy is that the people get to decide. We decided that Gordon Campbell’s Hawaiian escapades did not disqualify him from staying in office and winning two more elections.
They say negative ads are hated by the public but that they work. In this case, I am not sure if they were working. But the NDP counter ad has diffused much of the criticism and the Liberal supporters (and to be fair, the negative ads are by supporters not the Liberal party per se) are looking foolish by running them, especially given the multiple Liberal scandals that have occurred recently.
I wonder what might have happened had Ignatieff run his own counter ad making fun of his past and the negative ads that were aimed at him. Rather than a politician defending himself against a negative ad, maybe the negative ad should be attacked in the same humorous way that the NDP have used in this situation.
so if the NDP bring up paying the legal bill in the BCRail trail, is that a negative ad or facts? it is facts. so bringing up Adrian Dix’s memo fudging, which is really tampering with evidence and is a felony even though for some strange reason he was not charged, it is also a fact. oh and the reason Clark went to trial and was looking guilty, but yes was dismissed, was because of what Dix did. the special prosecutor thought something was up for Dix to tamper with evidence.
oh by the way tampering with evidence in Canada is a felony, so ask yourself this why wasn’t Dix charged with a felony, has he explained why? No he has not. did he admit to making a mistake, yes he did. but a mistake is putting too much sugar in your coffee, tampering with evidence is a deliberate attempt at misleading the RCMP investigation. Now if Mike Farnworth was the NDP leader ppl might be more forgiving. unless Dix comes out and says yes i commited a felony because I thought Glen Clark was guilty and im terribly sorry to the public, not claiming it was a mistake on his part .
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[quote=“Dex”]
Well this is one way of rationalizing your cognitive dissonance. We were talking about Dix and the NDP’s shortcomings and your only response is to inform us the Liberals are worse. “Projection” ! If you really are a party supporter I would suggest not being afraid to admit and confront your own party’s shortcomings.[/quote]
First, let me say that the attacks on Dix are laughable if that is all of the ammunition that the Liberals have for the upcoming campaign. Naturally the Dix attacks open the door to the misdeeds of the Liberals. Dix made a mistake which he acknowledged(no charges laid). I have no problem with confronting the shortcomings of the NDP. Fire away. Agreed. I do think that the Liberals are worse when it comes to misdeeds.
I am a member of the BC NDP, but I am not happy with the party. I will let my membership lapse. I don’t particularly like Dix, I find his personality irritating. I will in all likelihood vote NDP because I do not have another viable alternative at this point. I am not a party supporter. It is clear to me that the Liberals have lost the moral authority to lead. They need to go.[/quote]
Isn’t it ironic? Dix was a significant instrument in the corruption scandals that led to the NDP having their asses handed to them by the British Columbia voters during the 2001 election. The NDP went from 39 seats (majority) in 1996 to 2 seats in 2001; a loss of 37 seats (How many times has that happened in the history of Canada?) So 10 years later , 2011, the NDP votes Dix in as leader of the party? The NDP lost a significant amount of credibility with that stunt. It even makes one question the integrity of the party. The upcoming election should be an absolute shoe-in for the NDP because of all the Liberal corruption. One would expect at least a similar defeat for the Liberals that the NDP went through in 2001. But your not going to see a similar defeat and there is a even a possibility the Liberals might win and could achieve a slim majority. The biggest obstacle to a clear win for the NDP is Dix, because he is associated with past NDP corruption and what better way to remind voters of this than with the NDP’s own video at the top of this thread. Minimisation: a tactic guilty people/parties use! I still believe your support for the NDP is unconditional 
For the sake of disclosure I have no party loyalties at this time and I would actually prefer a minority government for the next term.
I suspect you’re partially correct. I’m not convinced that the NDP will have a crushing majority come May 14th. This is BC after all, we have a very polarized vote base here. I suspect the NDP will get in with a minority government. I would be very surprised if the Liberals win the election even with a minority government. I could be wrong. Interesting times ahead. 
Orders of magnitude.
Backdating a memo equates with thousands of conveniently deleted emails during an actual trial?
Wasting public money investigating a back porch equates with refusing to do any investigating and a $6 million legal bailout and hushup over BC Rail?
Yeah the 90s were so awful our town had triple the population, more than double the local businesses, doctors and an emergency ward. How about your town?
And the Godless Socialist Glen Clark was so evil he’s been working ever since for BC’s most famous capitalist.
I cast my votes on the basic of results, not on cliches.
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oh by the way tampering with evidence in Canada is a felony, so ask yourself this why wasn’t Dix charged with a felony, has he explained why? [/quote]
Do we call them ‘felonies’ in Canada?
Anyway, I totally get why people won’t vote NDP because Dix was guilty of a criminal offence. I understand that.
It’s the reason the same people never voted for the BC Liberals because Gordon Campbell was also guilty of a criminal offence, right? (Is Drunk Driving a ‘criminal offence’ in Canada? or a ‘felony’’?)
Same logic, I get it.
You didn’t vote for the BC Liberals while Gordon Campbell was around, did you, Jabber?
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And the Godless Socialist Glen Clark was so evil he’s been working ever since for BC’s most famous capitalist.[/quote]
Sort of like Bill Belsey going to work for the Communist Chinese government? I love it irony. Glen Clark goes to work for the capitalists, Bill Belsey goes to work for the Communists.
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Sort of like Bill Belsey going to work for the Communist Chinese government? I love it irony. Glen Clark goes to work for the capitalists, Bill Belsey goes to work for the Communists.[/quote]
does he really work for them or just pretend he does? because we all know how he likes to pretend to be stuff he isnt like say a registered lobbyist.
Bickering aside, this is how I see in the May BC election:
Voting for Christy is like buying the same diaper with more flashy packaging and horrible quality.
Voting for Dix is like paying $10 more for the diaper that’s no better than the Christy brand.
John Cummins is pretty much the crappy “value brand” that you buy at Fields.
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John Cummins is pretty much the crappy “value brand” that you buy at Fields.[/quote]
I will be very curious to see if Cummins picks up some seats from disillusioned Liberals. Cummins may help Dix get elected.
actually there is a difference Gordon Campbell actually was prosecuted and did his time, Adrian Dix was not prosecuted, more then likely he would have only done probation, so there is a difference. Dix himself has not come out and say publicaly what he did was illegal only a mistake on his part. can ppl forgive ppl that did their time for their crimes and give them a second chance of course they can, can ppl forgive a person for doing a crime, not getting prosecuted for it, why? we do not know, and then just call it a mistake on his part. not a chance. it goes to the character of the person.
[quote=“PLA”]Bickering aside, this is how I see in the May BC election:
Voting for Christy is like buying the same diaper with more flashy packaging and horrible quality.
Voting for Dix is like paying $10 more for the diaper that’s no better than the Christy brand.
John Cummins is pretty much the crappy “value brand” that you buy at Fields.[/quote]
Maybe the best we can hope for is a minority. Serious.