Wolf story Daily News July 25,2007

I am going to do nothing, the draino comment was made to me by another guy who is fed up with the wolves outside his house in seal cove, he is afraid to leave his ankle biter in his own yard as they have already tried to get it in the yard. He said they leap over his fence like it isnt even there. Is he supposed  to wait until they kill his pet? You miss a crucial point and that is this a residential city, not the outskirts or a campground. Our dogs have the right to be here, not the wolves. It is a shame that they need to be removed, they are beautiful animals and I have admired them all my life. All my house photos and all the jewelry I wear is all wolves, dont think I dont care about them because I do.
      The fact they are beautiful doesnt remove the fact that they do not belong in a residential city, they dont. It doesnt matter why they decided to move in here, that only matters in keeping future wolves from deciding to make inside the city limits their home. It does nothing to solve the problem of wolves being right in our city right now, they need to be removed and that is a fact. They cannot continue to stalk people out walking their pets in what is public land inside the city that is for that exact perpose. The trail I walk in I have been using since I was old enough to walk, I grew up on eighth east and have been playing in those woods long before there was even a walking trail and have never seen a wolf untill recently, they are something new to our trails. We, the citizens of the city have first rights to the trails of our city, to be shared with wildlife only if it is not a threat to our health, including our pets, not the other way around as you seem to think.
      I have given up walking in Butze because of them, it was built for humans was it not? I have given up Ridley because of them, fair enough. Grassy bay is no longer safe, we give them that too, ok. Seal cove/sea plane base area is taken by them too, ok its theirs too. So now I restrict my walks to the trail behind my house that I have felt safe in for as long as my memory goes back, the early seventies. You are telling us to enter that trail at our own risk,  that the wolves should come first, and if we should have a bad encounter with them that serves us right, that we were warned?
      I can only think that your love of that animal has tainted your ability to use common sense. The way you say to deal with them applies only to them out in the wild, not inside of populated city. The wolves i saw seem to feel the same as you, yelling and banging a chain on the metal railing did nothing to scare them, they actually advanced. They were deciding if they could actually take me down to get at the dog, any more than the two of them and we would have been in real trouble. The only thing to be done at this point is to hunt and kill them, same as they have done to bears that decided to make the city their home. I dont like the idea either but i do not see any other solution other than “stay home” as astro says we should stay away from them, and they are in our back yards.

I always carry my SKS and my hunting license when I take my dog for a walk in the woods.

So far, no reason to use it :wink:

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As much as I agree with much that has been said here on the posts, the bottom line is always this when it comes to infiltraton of wildlife into residential areas. We did not invite them, oh maybe, by leaving out garbage and pet food etc., in that event we are guilty, but we are on their land. We, with our progress and our need for fancy new homes like the ones that are being built off 11th. at the moment, have narrowed their areas down to exactly what? We complain that they are here and there and everywhere but where the hell are they supposed to be? As for the conservaton officer, if you phone Terrace and speak with Peter (if he is still there),he is a great guy and very informative. We have urbanized wolves in town (is that right, astrothug) and I was told last year when I was surrounded by 5 of them up on Wantage Rd., that they can’t be trapped and set free elsewhere as they will not survive and that unfortunately is our fault for thinking of them as poor, hungry animals and feeding them. Well now what have we done and why do we really have the right to complain? OK, you can beat up on me now :neutral_face:

Now hold on there Mig. Just what kind of free-lance work do you REALLY do?

Come on Chris… you’re personalizing this in a way that Astro obviously doesn’t intend. He isn’t threatening you, so don’t turn this into a personal attack pissing match. 

Yes codybear5 you are right the proper word is habituation, and you’re so right about the other comments being made, wild animals in city limits (a human term) you thinks animals know what city limits mean? Should we post signs for them on the outside of town warning wild animals that they are entering into known human habitat.  Oh and while we are talking about area’s were should we draw the line, as we are only surrounded by a thousands of square miles of rainforest. Humans always need to control everything in there surroundings and don’t realize that we dont need to be in control of everything. Nature has been doing fine job for billions of years.

Again you are avoiding my question.  I think you’re afraid of answering it because you know you’ll have to admit that there is the potential for a tragdy to occur.  As for the issue of allowing kids to play in a forested area, my property is partially treed but yet it is still an urban area.  What if the wolves kill a deer or even a house cat along a quiet alley before kids walk to school?

Mike you are missing it, I am not saying it about me personally. He is talking to all us dog owners collectively, my answers are intended as the voice of those who he is addressing, me being one of that collective. I am not taking it as a personal attack, and I like Astro , I just couldnt disagree more with his take on this.

You know, those guns look quite similar to some of the weapons used in season four of the Soprano’s, MIG must have been the muscle  from Portugal brought in to take care of the New York boys…

I have answered your question in other post, I will not answer a what if question, if you have a hard time informing your child or educating them on what to do phone the RCMP or the wildlife conservation officer from terrace to get direction, know If my child found a dead animal like a deer, I would hope he or she would inform an adult to assess the situation. Who in turn would notify the proper authorities?  As it has been said earlier ismellfish, it’s up to each person to inform and educate his / her own children of the dangers that may be lurking around dark corners, so to speak. Like I said before there are real monsters out there who are lurking in the shadows, which given the chance will be more dangerous to our children then a wolf. 
And again yes any wild animal could pos a threat to a child, a deer, bear or even a rat (rabies) or a wolf, even the neighbor’s dog, the potential is always there for a mishap.

there have been many wolf attacks in B.C., Vancouver Island had lots of them in the eighties till they hunted them. Here is just a few I know of:

Common Man Institute, in cooperation with Abundant Wildlife Society of North America, has done extensive research on wolves and their history for several years. We have gathered evidence on wolf attacks which occurred in North America.

    Comox Valley, British Colombia – 1986 - While driving a tractor, Jakob Knopp was followed by three wolves to his barn. They didn’t leave, but kept snarling and showing their teeth. Knopp ran to his barn, retreived a rifle and had to shoot two of the three wolves before the third left the area.

Don Hamilton, Conservation Officer at Nanaimo went to investigate a livestock killing by wolves. Wolves had killed a number of sheep in a pasture and Don went out to examine the kills. He came upon the scene and saw a large gray wolf feeding on one of the sheep. The wolf looked at him, growled and started running towards him at full speed. The wolf was over 100 yards away and never broke stride as it approached Don. At approximately 15 feet, Don shot the wolf to stop its attack. Don, who has many years experience with wolves, stated that he was convinced that the wolf was going to attack him because of its growling, snarling and aggressive behavior.

A forester employed by the Province of British Colombia was checking some timber for possible harvest in the 1980s. He was met by a small pack of three wolves. The forester yelled at the wolves to frighten them away. Instead, the wolves came towards him in a threatening manner and he was forced to retreat and climb a nearby tree for safety. The wolves remained at the base of the tree. The forester had a portable radio, but was unable to contact his base, due to distance, until evening. When the call for help came in, two Conservation Officers with the Ministry of Environment were flown to the area by floatplane to rescue the treed forester.
When the Conservation Officers arrived, the forester was still in the tree and one wolf, the apparent leader of the pack, was still at the base of the tree. The officers, armed with shotguns, shot at the wolf and missed. The wolf ran for cover and then started circling and howling near the two officers. After a couple missed shots, the wolf was finally shot and killed.
The wolf tested negative for rabies. It appeared healthy in every respect, but was very lean.
This is but one example from British Colombia. Wolves overran Vancouver Island in the 1980s. Attacks became so common that articles were published in Canadian magazines documenting such attacks.

And there is more:

Vargas Island, British Colombia - University student, Scott Langevin, 23, was on a kayak trip with friends. They camped out on a beach and, about 1 AM, Langevin awoke with something pulling on his sleeping bag. He looked out and came face to face with a wild wolf. Langevin yelled at the wolf and it attacked, biting him on the hand. Langevin attempted to force the wolf toward a nearby campfire, but as he turned, the wolf jumped on his back and started biting him on the back of his head. Friends, hearing his yells, came to his aid and scared the wolf away. Fifty (50) stitches were required to close the wound on Langevin’s head. British Colombia Ministry of Enviroment officials speculate the reason for the attack was due to the wolves occasionally being fed by humans although there was no evidence that Langevin or any of his party fed these animals. (Reports and Interviews on file and available upon request.)

This is but a brief summary of a few verifiable accounts of attacks on humans by healthy wild wolves in North American History.

Biologists tell us that the wolves of Asia and North America are one and the same species. Wolf attacks are common in many parts of Asia.

The government of India reported more than 100 deaths attributable to wolves in one year during the eighties. (Associated Press, 1985) This author recalls a news report in 1990 in which Iran reported deaths from attacks by wolves.

Rashid Jamsheed, a U.S. trained biologist, was the game director for Iran. He wrote a book entitled “Big Game Animals of Iran (Persia).” In it he made several references to wolf attacks on humans.  Jamsheed says that for a millennia people have reported wolves attacking and killing humans. In winter, when starving wolves grow bold, they have been known to enter towns and kill people in daylight on the streets. Apparently, in Iran, there are many cases of wolves running off with small children. There is also a story of a mounted and armed policeman (gendarme) being followed by 3 wolves. In time he had to get off his horse to attend to nature’s call, leaving his rifle in the scabbard. A later reconstruction at the scene of the gnawed bones and wolf tracks indicated that the horse had bolted and left the man defenseless, whereupon he was killed and eaten.

An apparent wolf attack has been determined as the cause of death for 22-year-old Kenton Joel Carnegie, whose body was found on Tuesday, November 8, at Points North Landing near Wollaston Lake in the Canadian province of Saskatchewan, about 450 kilometers northeast of La Ronge.


This program is being used in several places now and if applicable to bears possibly to wolves as well.

At the Northern Lights Wildlife Wolf Centre we went to they have those dogs as well forestry workers use them too.

in our area there has been no injuries due to an attack, and before you post about the attacks on and near vancouver island get all the facts, facts like the ratio of DOG dna found in wolves there, the fact that most problem wolves were found to being fed by humans… I can go on and on about it, as I too did the research into and got in contact with the lead wolf researcher on the BC coast…

I’m done with this thread, you can go on with out me, Im fully away that wolves have attacked people, Im fully aware that other animals have attacked humans and live stock. I’m also aware more people are killed and hurt by domestic dogs then a wild healthy wolf, I’m aware that most attacks on humans have been done by sick wolves or wolves who are  habituation. I m aware that you can find faults with anything and everything being said, good for you. you think Im some hick who does not understand what I’m talking about.
I have an understanding about these wild animals as we have spent more time in there habitat then any of you. and have been in contact with the wolf specialists either by email or in person. I’m also aware we are not alone in this; other communities have had problems with wolves and brought in wolf researchers to figure out why wolves have come into rural communities and how to deal with them and educating people about living with wolves. so go gone find more literature about wolf attacks, when you do also look at sites who post all the facts and not just what  ranchers and scared people want you to believe. and I know the magority of people here do have an understanding of what going on.
The last few days i have been stopped on the street and have been told “keep up the good work” or  people who have told us their stories about wolves they have seen.  I can go on and on but really its pointless for me to explain to you who has deaf ears.

Hey ChrisJ …If I saw you walking in my neighbourhood, I would treat you like the wolves and throw stones and then the cops!!!
Im just kidding ol’boy.
I like your passion on this subject.  opinions are like assholes eveyone has one.
There hasnt been any constructionon Ridley up until last month of land clearing next to pRG.
When wolves venture into the city llimits…the need to be eradicated just like bears.

I think what astrothug is talking about is the construction at the dumpsite and the open pit mine found near there,  both of these places have done a lot of blasting and expanding into the surrounding area.  I would venture that is why the wolves are being seen more. I’m no expert in the area of animal behavior, but I think that’s what he was getting at.

Ohh come on now, we all know why they are here and so does Astro. They are here because there is an incredibly high population of well fed deer, look at the size of some of those bucks, them are some damn healthy thick juicy venison there chief! There is a huge amount of deer on the island, that is why they are here.
    The deer are in such numbers I am surprised they took this long to creep into the city limits. They have no natural predator on the island but the wolves, who usually stay away from the city limits so the deer like to hang out with us, its reasonably safe. It appears the wolves have figured out their strategy being the smart playful little pups that they are, so the safety in the city rule the deer have loved so much has now been abolished. Their safety in now gone, and ours went with it, those of us with four legged roasts anyways.
      Astro, I know that wolf attacks on humans are very rare but they can, and do happen. We have not suddenly moved in on them, the areas they are in now have been used by the public for decades, these areas are now not currently safe to use anymore. The wolves have most of B.C. to roam and thrive in, and do. They dont need to be inside of our city because they are out of space, in other places yes, but not here in Canada. The land is mostly untouched, the majority of it is wild land, the wolves we love have plenty of space to roam and live without being a threat to humans, these animals we are talking about are in playgrounds and in people’s yards. I wish they could be relocated but that doesnt work with them, to accept their presence this close to us is unreasonable .   
    They killed a bunch of wolves in the early 90’s out by that shoe tree, the trail just on the other side of the highway I saw a guy with a huge team of bloodhounds, bout ten of them or so,  I was driving home from work. At work the next night I mentioned to another guy that I saw them, he said they were for tracking wolves that had been killing people’s pets who were walking on the trail, they had hired a guy to kill them. I just remembered that actually.

Believe me, I feel the same way.

My kids should feel safe in their own yard and walking to school.  My 5 year old son is terrified because he hears older kids talking about wolves and their encounters. We have a large treed area on our property that is part of a larger wooded area.  I grew up in this town and lived everyday playing in the woods.  Never then was there ever even a whisper of wolves.  It wasn’t until the late 80’s that they were spotted on the island.  You, my friend, have assigned yourself as the one who wishes to educate and profess the beauty of these “majestic” animals.  If you want to be taken seriously you could do yourself a huge favour and keep an open mind as to the concerns of others.  These are real concerns which you agreed with in your reluctant response to my question.

Just like any other risk in our society measures need to be taken to mitigate it.

ChrisJ…I’m with you.  I couldn’t agree more.

Normally I get jokes, but I don’t think I got this one…