# U.S. wins lumber case against Canada
**URL:** https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/u-s-wins-lumber-case-against-canada/12978
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**Created:** [January 21, 2011, 9:01pm UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/u-s-wins-lumber-case-against-canada/12978 "2011-01-21T21:01:56Z")
**Posts on this page:** 17
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### Author:  [@hitest](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/hitest)
#### Post date: [January 21, 2011, 9:01pm UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/u-s-wins-lumber-case-against-canada/12978/1 "2011-01-21T21:01:56Z")
Looks like this may get expensive.
[quote]OTTAWA — An international arbitration panel ruled Friday that two Canadian provinces have breached the terms of the 2006 Softwood Lumber Agreement with the United States.
The London Court of International Arbitration set a financial penalty of $59.4 million US that Canada will have to pay if it doesn’t resolve the dispute.
“The tribunal agreed that a number of provincial assistance programs put into place by Quebec and Ontario circumvent the Softwood Lumber Agreement and breach the deal struck by the United States and Canada in 2006,” said U.S. Trade Ambassador Ron Kirk in a statement on Friday. “This result is important for U.S. workers, firms and our softwood lumber industry. We look forward to Canada working quickly to implement the decision of the tribunal.”
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[U.S. wins lumber case against Canada](http://www.vancouversun.com/business/wins+lumber+case+against+Canada/4145950/story.html)
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### Author:  [@jesus](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/jesus)
#### Post date: [January 21, 2011, 11:42pm UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/u-s-wins-lumber-case-against-canada/12978/2 "2011-01-21T23:42:02Z")
This can be resolved by saying fuck you america and sending our lumber and oil to china. At greatly increased profits to us I’m sure. Or we can deduct the fine from their outstanding power debts
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### Author:  [@Right\_Coast](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/Right_Coast)
#### Post date: [January 22, 2011, 12:34am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/u-s-wins-lumber-case-against-canada/12978/3 "2011-01-22T00:34:36Z")
How are you going to get the oil to China.
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### Author:  [@MeepMeepZoom](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/MeepMeepZoom)
#### Post date: [January 22, 2011, 12:39am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/u-s-wins-lumber-case-against-canada/12978/4 "2011-01-22T00:39:01Z")
What ever happened to the 5 Billion they owed us for illegally taxing our soft lumber exports up until 2006? I can’t remember exactly what the situation was with that but like a drama queen, they’re definitely a making big stink about their petty little problems now.
Definitely would be much more beneficial to Canada - sell to China. They are more eager.
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### Author:  [@hitest](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/hitest)
#### Post date: [January 22, 2011, 12:52am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/u-s-wins-lumber-case-against-canada/12978/5 "2011-01-22T00:52:44Z")
It is certainly a troubling development. I would prefer to let the appeal/court process play itself out before we declare an all out trade war with our American neighbours. A diplomatic solution is preferable in the interim in my opinion. Our economy is intertwined with the USA. If we engage in an all out trade war I think we will get bloodied. Hopefully we catch a break on appeal.
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### Author:  [@Right\_Coast](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/Right_Coast)
#### Post date: [January 22, 2011, 1:03am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/u-s-wins-lumber-case-against-canada/12978/6 "2011-01-22T01:03:10Z")
Lets fight wood with oil.We could sell the oil to China if we build a pipeline to our coast. WHOOPS, sorry. Maybe we could send our Alberta oil through a pipeline to the states and ask the Yanks to send some of it to china for us.
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### Author:  [@PLA](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/PLA)
#### Post date: [January 22, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/u-s-wins-lumber-case-against-canada/12978/7 "2011-01-22T01:19:58Z")
> [@Right Coast](#):
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> Lets fight wood with oil.We could sell the oil to China if we build a pipeline to our coast. WHOOPS, sorry. Maybe we could send our Alberta oil through a pipeline to the states and ask the Yanks to send some of it to china for us.
I have no clue what you’re talking about.
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### Author:  [@BTravenn](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/BTravenn)
#### Post date: [January 22, 2011, 4:55am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/u-s-wins-lumber-case-against-canada/12978/8 "2011-01-22T04:55:18Z")
While Canada and the US are the parties to the dispute it is really about how Quebec and Ontario have provided assistance programs to their forest industries. Lumber from those provinces will be subject to penalties. This does not appear to be a BC issue or a decision that will have an effect on this province, other than perhaps by making BC lumber more competitive in the US since it won’t be subject to penalties.
Forestry is after all a provincial jurisdiction. I’m not sure that we should be too up in arms about this. For all we know the Quebec and Ontario governments should be following the BC example to avoid these types of disputes.
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### Author:  [@upperleftcoast](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/upperleftcoast)
#### Post date: [January 22, 2011, 7:54am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/u-s-wins-lumber-case-against-canada/12978/9 "2011-01-22T07:54:56Z")
[quote=“PLA”]
> [@Right Coast](#):
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> Lets fight wood with oil.We could sell the oil to China if we build a pipeline to our coast. WHOOPS, sorry. Maybe we could send our Alberta oil through a pipeline to the states and ask the Yanks to send some of it to china for us.
I have no clue what you’re talking about.[/quote]
think harder, he’s referencing the Enbridge pipeline.
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### Author:  [@Right\_Coast](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/Right_Coast)
#### Post date: [January 22, 2011, 12:51pm UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/u-s-wins-lumber-case-against-canada/12978/10 "2011-01-22T12:51:20Z")
RE Travenn “BC lumber more competitive in U.S since it won’t be subject to penalties” A third wood lawsuit was filed by u.s last week. This time BC is the defendant. 500 million. Check the globe and mail business pages. Sorry, I do not have the compfuser skills to create link.
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### Author:  [@BTravenn](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/BTravenn)
#### Post date: [January 22, 2011, 1:59pm UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/u-s-wins-lumber-case-against-canada/12978/11 "2011-01-22T13:59:33Z")
> [@Right Coast](#):
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> RE Travenn “BC lumber more competitive in U.S since it won’t be subject to penalties” A third wood lawsuit was filed by u.s last week. This time BC is the defendant. 500 million. Check the globe and mail business pages. Sorry, I do not have the compfuser skills to create link.
The upcoming BC case involves very different issues than the Quebec and Ontario decision. The latter was about provincial programs in those two provinces while the one with BC is about mountain pine beetle volumes. Here’s the Globe article you’re probably referring to:
[theglobeandmail.com/report-o … le1878820/](http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/lumber-deal-still-a-good-one-despite-new-arbitration-loss-ottawa-says/article1878820/)
Pat Bell does not seem too concerned about the upcoming arbitration, calling the American complaint “ludicrous”. He notes that unlike in previous disputes an interim tariff has not been applied to BC wood. Here’s some more background.
[opinion250.com/blog/view/190 … ry+exports](http://www.opinion250.com/blog/view/19095/1/bell+beaming+over+forestry+exports)
Seems a bit premature to be talking about using energy exports as some kind of weapon in a trade war, even leaving aside doubts about how exporting unrefined tar to China via Enbridge’s proposed pipeline is supposed to pressure the US lumber industry into withdrawing or no longer filing complaints about lumber exports to the US.
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### Author:  [@Right\_Coast](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/Right_Coast)
#### Post date: [January 22, 2011, 6:22pm UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/u-s-wins-lumber-case-against-canada/12978/12 "2011-01-22T18:22:37Z")
[en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll\_%28Internet%29](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29)
I do not feed trolls.
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### Author:  [@Smurfette](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/Smurfette)
#### Post date: [January 22, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/u-s-wins-lumber-case-against-canada/12978/13 "2011-01-22T19:19:50Z")
Now you’re being silly, giving a troll warning when it is you who are the troll. 😄
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### Author:  [@hitest](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/hitest)
#### Post date: [January 22, 2011, 7:37pm UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/u-s-wins-lumber-case-against-canada/12978/14 "2011-01-22T19:37:18Z")
[quote=“Right Coast”][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll\_(Internet)](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29)
I do not feed trolls.[/quote]
**_Ahem_**
I don’t see a lot of trolling in this thread…yet. 😄
By the way, welcome to HTMF. It is nice to meet you.
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### Author:  [@Smurfette](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/Smurfette)
#### Post date: [January 22, 2011, 9:09pm UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/u-s-wins-lumber-case-against-canada/12978/15 "2011-01-22T21:09:49Z")
[quote=“Right Coast”][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll\_(Internet)](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29)
I do not feed trolls.[/quote]
Well you seem to have found the skills required to provide a link after all.
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### Author:  [@Right\_Coast](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/Right_Coast)
#### Post date: [January 22, 2011, 9:40pm UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/u-s-wins-lumber-case-against-canada/12978/16 "2011-01-22T21:40:34Z")
Thanks for noticing Smurfette. I paid a young local to teach me about attachments. Since i have never blogged before, i asked the young man to explain the ins and outs of HTMN. One piece of advice he gave was to avoid being ,or being perceived as,a troll. He went to wikipedia to define troll. I noticed the picture beside the definition was PLA’s moniker, who had posted a response to my entry. I can assure you my intention is not to be a troll and my apologies to PLA . There was nothing troll-like about his response.Now can we be friends.
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [November 14, 2015, 5:36pm UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/u-s-wins-lumber-case-against-canada/12978/17 "2015-11-14T17:36:39Z")