Petronas burning billions in B.C. in bid for LNG plant


#1

biv.com/article/2015/9/petr … lng-plant/

[quote]In June, Petronas shareholders approved a final investment decision on the $36 billion project. Its Canadian subsidiary, Progress Energy, has already spent $5 billion in B.C. developing its upstream natural gas assets in northeastern B.C.’s Montney region…

In 2014 alone, it drilled 203 new wells (at $7 million per well), 10 compression stations, a gas plant and 900 kilometres of feeder pipeline – activity that has been employing a workforce of approximately 4,000.[/quote]

Petronas is spending about $2 billion a year, drilling the gas wells, and developing the piping and infrastructure which is necessary for the LNG plant.


#2

But I thought this project had barely any jobs for British Columbians…


#3

That depends on who you ask. Petronas has stated that it plans to use local Canadians wherever feasible, but may need to import foreign expertise if locals are not sufficient.

Petronas does plan to bring in some Malaysians, which it always does for projects outside of Malaysia. Petronas has a mandate ro train local Malaysians in technical expertise. The question is, how much of this LNG project will be local Canadians and how much will be foreigners.

Bear in mind, it’s cheaper to use local expertise than import expats on contract.

From the article, it appears the bulk of the ongoing drilling work and infrastructure work is being performed by locals. Asking around at Petronas headquarters in Kuala Lumpur, Petronas staff are not aware of any large contingent of Malaysians currently doing this work in B.C.

So it would seem that Petronas is indeed employing around 4,000 Canadians lately, through its local Canadian subsidiary company.


#4

of course they are using local workers they are drilling up north through Progress Energy, why would they need outside experts for this? Canadians are world experts on drilling, so old news move on


#5

At 9:00PM PST tonight, the Vancouver Sun will publish “explosive” news about Petronas.

Four issues identified in report were described by auditors as being “almost certain," if not resolved, to lead to “catastrophic" events

Read more: vancouversun.com/coming+expl … z3lN2CMCqQ


#6

A 732-page internal audit, obtained by The Sun, uncovered numerous structural and safety issues involving its oil and gas platforms off the Malaysian coast

ummm I think our inspection teams in BC are alot more reliable so if they are having problems with their platforms in Malaysia it does not mean anything in BC because our standards and inspection regime are tougher


#7

vancouversun.com/touch/news/ … rel=813152


#8

[quote=“Jabber63”]
ummm I think our inspection teams in BC are alot more reliable so if they are having problems with their platforms in Malaysia it does not mean anything in BC because our standards and inspection regime are tougher[/quote]

Sure. Tell that to the people living near this fiasco. Under the Liberals mine inspections were cut back a lot.

Design blamed for failure of B.C.’s Mount Polley tailings dam


#9

[quote=“hitest”]

[quote=“Jabber63”]
ummm I think our inspection teams in BC are alot more reliable[/quote]

so if they are having problems with their platforms in Malaysia it does not mean anything in BC because our standards and inspection regime are tougher

Sure. Tell that to the people living near this fiasco. Under the Liberals mine inspections were cut back a lot.

Design blamed for failure of B.C.’s Mount Polley tailings dam[/quote]

As is so often the case with environmental issues things are more complicated than they may at first appear.

NDP leader Horgan talks about cut backs in mine inspectors. Cut backs in environmental protection agencies should always be cause for concern. The Harper government, for instance, has effectively abandoned regulation of waterways.

That being said, as the title of the article indicates the problem at Mount Polley was with the design of the tailings pond. The article refers to an independent report that concluded that the failure “was caused by an inadequately designed dam that didn’t account for drainage and erosion failures associated with glacial till beneath the pond”.

A mining development certificate covers all aspects of a mining plan. The design for the Mt Polley mine was approved in 1992, when the NDP was in government.


#10

[quote=“BTravenn”]

[quote=“hitest”]

so if they are having problems with their platforms in Malaysia it does not mean anything in BC because our standards and inspection regime are tougher

Sure. Tell that to the people living near this fiasco. Under the Liberals mine inspections were cut back a lot.

Design blamed for failure of B.C.’s Mount Polley tailings dam

As is so often the case with environmental issues things are more complicated than they may at first appear.

NDP leader Horgan talks about cut backs in mine inspectors. Cut backs in environmental protection agencies should always be cause for concern. The Harper government, for instance, has effectively abandoned regulation of waterways.

That being said, as the title of the article indicates the problem at Mount Polley was with the design of the tailings pond. The article refers to an independent report that concluded that the failure “was caused by an inadequately designed dam that didn’t account for drainage and erosion failures associated with glacial till beneath the pond”.

A mining development certificate covers all aspects of a mining plan. The design for the Mt Polley mine was approved in 1992, when the NDP was in government.[/quote]

Awaiting Hitest’s next response


#11

[quote=“BTravenn”]
A mining development certificate covers all aspects of a mining plan. The design for the Mt Polley mine was approved in 1992, when the NDP was in government.[/quote]

Sure. It was a bad design. The NDP is to blame for that. However, the ruling government is responsible for inspecting, maintaining their infrastructure.
**Under the Liberal government the inspections were cut back. Perhaps the disaster may have been averted if the dam was inspected more frequently. ** Petronas has a track record of not inspecting their facilities. Will the Liberals insist on frequent inspections of future LNG plants.?

Tailings dam inspections in B.C. dropped off suddenly in 2010, 2011


#12

actually the Polly disaster was reviewed by the engineering association that sets the standards they found out the Polly mine did meet the standards but because of the disaster they revisited the standards and made them better, unfortunately being human we do make mistakes but we learn from them and move on.