# "natives"
**URL:** https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057
**Category:** Prince Rupert Forum
**Created:** [December 5, 2004, 7:51am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057 "2004-12-05T07:51:39Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2004, 7:51am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057/1 "2004-12-05T07:51:39Z")
> [@jesus](#):
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> perhaps it means ALL native as in all players are native or all players have to be native. Welcome to the english language words can mean different things depending on the syntax.
Techically, there are no natives here, as all the peoples on this continent migrated here from elsewhere. It just so happens some did it thousands of years ago, some came yesterday, and some (like my family) came in between.
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2004, 8:02am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057/2 "2004-12-05T08:02:32Z")
[quote=“hoshq”]
Techically, there are no natives here, as all the peoples on this continent migrated here from elsewhere. It just so happens some did it thousands of years ago, some came yesterday, and some (like my family) came in between.[/quote]
Ok, I’m moving this to its own thread, because it’s another classic hoshq thread in the making.
First, let’s take what you’re saying here.
1. There are no natives here.
Well, let’s look up the word, native, shall we?
From [dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com), definition #5: Being a member of the original inhabitants of a particular place.
So “native” means the original inhabitants.
So you’re saying there are no original inhabitants of this place?
Or are you just confused by the term “native” ?
I submit, for the HTMF community’s approval, that your grand statement “There are no natives here” is, on it’s face, wrong.
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2004, 8:10am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057/3 "2004-12-05T08:10:10Z")
The proper word should be first nations which means the people that first settled the land. Indians was a mistake by european explorers and native is just a shorter way of saying member of a first nation.
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2004, 8:13am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057/4 "2004-12-05T08:13:32Z")
Isn’t Indian the official government term though? Isn’t it called the “Department of Indian and Northern Affairs?”
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2004, 8:17am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057/5 "2004-12-05T08:17:08Z")
> [@MiG](#):
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> From [dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com), definition #5: Being a member of the original inhabitants of a particular place.
[dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com)? shouldn’t we be using a canadian dictionary?
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2004, 8:18am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057/6 "2004-12-05T08:18:52Z")
> [@hoshq](#):
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> Isn’t Indian the official government term though? Isn’t it called the “Department of Indian and Northern Affairs?”
A-ha! The first hoshq slide.
But not so fast this time.
“Techically, there are no natives here.”
Stop sliding away from it.
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2004, 8:19am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057/7 "2004-12-05T08:19:48Z")
I believe the term used now is Aboriginal. In America it’s Native American, or American Indian. Australia it is Aborigine and in New Zealand/Polynesian islands it’s the Maori. All together, they are known as Indigenous peoples. As far as I can remember from my Indigena class.
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2004, 8:19am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057/8 "2004-12-05T08:19:58Z")
[quote=“hoshq”]
> [@MiG](#):
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> From [dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com), definition #5: Being a member of the original inhabitants of a particular place.
[dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com)? shouldn’t we be using a canadian dictionary?[/quote]
Why Canadian?
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2004, 8:20am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057/9 "2004-12-05T08:20:19Z")
> [@hoshq](#):
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> [dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com)? shouldn’t we be using a canadian dictionary?
A-ha! The second hoshq slide.
But not so fast this time.
“Techically, there are no natives here.”
Stop sliding away from it.
Actually, we need to come up with another word. Sliding sounds too much like a fun thing to do. We need a better term.
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2004, 8:21am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057/10 "2004-12-05T08:21:23Z")
> [@hoshq](#):
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> Isn’t Indian the official government term though? Isn’t it called the “Department of Indian and Northern Affairs?”
They just haven’t gotten around to changing it. Just like in our constitution it mentions God.
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2004, 8:22am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057/11 "2004-12-05T08:22:53Z")
[quote=“MiG”]So “native” means the original inhabitants.
So you’re saying there are no original inhabitants of this place?
Or are you just confused by the term “native” ?[/quote]
Doesn’t original come from the word “origin?” If I’m saying the origin of all peoples is some other continent, then there can’t be any original North American inhabitants. Thus calling some people here natives is invalid.
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2004, 8:24am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057/12 "2004-12-05T08:24:42Z")
[quote=“Lemrac”]
> [@hoshq](#):
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> Isn’t Indian the official government term though? Isn’t it called the “Department of Indian and Northern Affairs?”
They just haven’t gotten around to changing it. Just like in our constitution it mentions God.[/quote]
It does, but it doesn’t say which god. And actually, that’s not a mistake or something they’re ever going to fix - it’s their basis for all power and structure.
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2004, 8:25am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057/13 "2004-12-05T08:25:23Z")
Indigenous species. Alien species.
I was the original inhabitant of Lot 7 PlanB AreaC bulkey Nechacko Region District.
Am I alien? Am I indigenos? Am I a bug on some entymologyst’s slide. Aahhh the calipers are pinching my head—measure my nose…
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2004, 8:25am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057/14 "2004-12-05T08:25:26Z")
Holy shit, now _that’s_ a slide. (slide #3!)
Native means belonging to the first group here.
You’re wrong on this one dude. There are such things as natives, unless you think we all arrived at the same time. But wait, you don’t believe that, since you said:
> [@](#):
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> It just so happens some did it thousands of years ago, some came yesterday, and some (like my family) came in between
Just call it quits and say you were wrong, dude.
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2004, 8:28am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057/15 "2004-12-05T08:28:20Z")
Semantics. That’s all it is. You’re arguing semantics with someone who doesn’t believe in dictionaries?
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2004, 8:28am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057/16 "2004-12-05T08:28:29Z")
Your arguments must come from a Craker Jack Box. You’re so hooked on semantics you make politically correct people look like rednecks!
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2004, 8:30am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057/17 "2004-12-05T08:30:00Z")
_I’m_ arguing semantics? (slide #4!)
Are you out of your mind?
What the hell does “technically there are no natives here” sound like to you?
_You’re_ the one arguing semantics, and, I might add, losing the semantic argument very badly.
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2004, 8:33am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057/18 "2004-12-05T08:33:08Z")
[quote=“MiG”]Holy shit, now _that’s_ a slide. (slide #3!)
Native means belonging to the first group here.[/quote]
If you want to go on using this archaic dictionary definition, then I must refer you to their second definition:
“2. Being such by birth”
Since I was born in canada, at the Greater Niagara General Hospital, does that make me a native? or first nations?
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2004, 8:35am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057/19 "2004-12-05T08:35:45Z")
It makes you a native of Canada.
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2004, 8:35am UTC](https://forum.hackingthemainframe.com/t/natives/1057/20 "2004-12-05T08:35:47Z")
(Slide #5)
No, but if we take that argument, that anybody born here is a native, then your grand statement:
“there are no natives here”
Is still wrong. There are lots of natives here, including you.
No way to slide out of it. You’re wrong.
No matter how you define “native”, there are natives here. Heh, way too funny to watch you slide out this.
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