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[quote=“chookie”]Worst case scenerio for me tonight. Was thinking NDP was going to win locally and Provincially and we would have a represenitive in power.
Now we have a local NDP rep and LIberal Government in power, and the other riding(Kitimat) with potential LNG terminals looks as though it will have a Liberal MLA to go to bat for them.[/quote]
wow…some close now in Skeena,NDP now ahead by 14 votes[/quote]
NDP elected in Skeena and Bulkley ridings
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wow…some close now in Skeena,NDP now ahead by 14 votes
NDP elected in Skeena and Bulkley ridings[/quote]
thanks thats good news so we are all on even ground
Well,looking for a silver lining here,so probably grasping but what the heck.
Dix will get the boot,I wonder if Mr Cullen is thinking he may be on a ship in troubled waters with Mr Trudeau now at the helm of the Liberals and maybe running for leadership of the provincial NDP is a better option.
Best night ever! Everyone thought the NDP had it won by a huge majority (myself included)…thank god I was proven wrong. The province threw the NDP to the dogs tonight in a huge way and Adrian Dix adds his name to the sparse list of largest political chokes in Canadian history…and the polls have now incorrectly predicted 3 consecutive provincial elections, they have massive egg on their faces right now.
Clark wins the election, but loses her seat.
I am trying to reconcile “the largest political choke” with pollsters having “massive egg on their faces”.
Last Friday, after some polls indicated momentum for the Liberals, the final polls still indicated a 6-8% lead for the NDP that was completely reversed last night. Unlike Alberta where the Liberal vote collapsed and went Conservative to keep the Wildrose party out, that doesn’t appear to have happened here. We already knew the Conservative vote would not play much of a spoiler role. So what went wrong? Did Ipsos and Angus Reid totally miss the continuing momentum of the Liberals, or is their methodogy totally screwed up or what? For example, we can blame the NDP for the collapse (it was theirs to lose) but who’s to say that the 20% lead at the beginning was correct if the final tally was so wrong. Did the pollsters ever have it right?
Of course, that does not excuse the NDP. What makes me sad, and sad is the word I want to use, is not so much that the NDP lost. For what ever reason they deserved to lose. What makes me sad is a government that does not deserve to be re-elected gets rewarded for scandals, lies, misinformation, negative attack ads etc etc and we do not have a viable alternative that is palatable to the people of this province. I am sure the vast majority of the people who voted did so more because they hated or feared the other side than they did because they liked the party they supported. That is sad.
And on top of that, I am sad at the number of people who voted - less than 50%. Last election it was 51%. Last time and I am sure the numbers will be the same, 72% of people over 55 voted. 34% of people under 35 voted. We talk about jobs for the next generation and saving the environment for the next generation, but for some reason they don’t see the value of voting. I am not sure it is necessarily apathy; I wonder if they actually see a purpose in voting. One young person told me “What’s the point? It’s all BS.” That is sad.
Finally, I am sad at the adversarial system of politicking where co-operation and consensus no longer seem possible, where differing views, especially differing views within your own party are discouraged. There is a recent documentary called “Whipped” which looks at how our MLAs are pretty much forced to vote with their party despite how they or their constituents might feel. Since 2001, there have been over 32000 individual votes in the BC legislature. In total there have been 80 times when a member of the Liberals or the NDP voted against their own party. That’s .25%. Some people might believe in the sanctity of the caucus room, but if MLAs are too frightened to speak on behalf of their constituents that too is sad.
I will try to be less sad. I hope that the Liberals can make good on their promise to make this a family first province with jobs for everyone but I am also realistic enough to know what is likely to happen: Four more years of disappointment and scandals resulting in a Liberal majority in 2017. You heard it here first.
So, we sent “Crispy” Rice to Victoria. I wonder if she will cause less grief for the City of Prince Rupert during her tenure in Victoria, than she would have had we kept her at home and on City Council?
So what happens now with Clark since she lost her seat in Vancouver-Point Grey?
Does she step aside or can she somehow remain on as premier?
[quote=“bthedog”]So what happens now with Clark since she lost her seat in Vancouver-Point Grey?
Does she step aside or can she somehow remain on as premier?[/quote]
Last night Keith Baldrey speculated that Linda Reid, the Liberals longest running MLA, may step aside in Richmond to allow for Christy to take her seat. I’m not clear if that would result in a by election however.
I think Rupert votes NDP regardless of who is running. Rice I don’t believe is ready to be a voice in the legislature. Also are people not happy the way this town is starting to prosper even if it was because of the sale of BC Rail to CN.
the amount of voters went up slightly, Liberals won the popular vote, gained more seats, problem with pollsters is they ask whom you would vote to, but do the ask will you vote? also yes it was a collapse for the NDP. and I would say it was because of their leader, might have been a different story with Mike Farnworth the NDP’s next leader
[quote=“Crazy Train”]
[quote=“bthedog”]So what happens now with Clark since she lost her seat in Vancouver-Point Grey?
Does she step aside or can she somehow remain on as premier?[/quote]
Last night Keith Baldrey speculated that Linda Reid, the Liberals longest running MLA, may step aside in Richmond to allow for Christy to take her seat. I’m not clear if that would result in a by election however.[/quote]
If an MLA resigns it results in a bye election. Linda Reid’s seat is a very safe Liberal riding.
The question about Jennifer Rice resigning her council seat from the other thread is a little complicated. If she resigns before the end of the year, I believe a bye election must be held which would cost the city something. Not sure how much. If she waits until January, I believe, the council can decide not to hold a bye election saving the city the cost of a bye election but leaving the council one member short.
There was some question about a Surrey city councillor who was running for the Liberals and what would happen if he won. The council was divided on what he should do as the bye election there would be much more costly than here.
I wouldn’t necessarily say “Rupert” votes NDP regardless…the Liberals core vote in the North Coast riding comes directly from Prince Rupert polls.
The native villages and Queen Charlotte Islands are HUGE NDP areas…if the race is competitive in Prince Rupert, the polls from the island and native villages slam dunk the election for the NDP everytime.
The same is true in the Skeena riding with the Nass Valley polls there.
The Liberals only hope in North Coast is if they win the Prince Rupert vote by a big enough margin to counter the QCI/Native Villages vote for the NDP…that is the only way Liberals win in this riding.
Following the May 14th,2013 election, a significant portion of north and western British Columbia is poised to recede from British Columbia thus creating a new province. Electoral ridings including the Northcoast and Haida Gwaii, Skeena, Stikine, the Central Coast, and possibly the northern part of Vancouver Island that went NDP are unified in their policies towards protecting the environment, and the provision of a social safety net.
A different social ethic exists in this part of Canada. Citizens do not believe in money at all costs. People chose to maintain close connection to family, land , and sea. In fact “wealth” has more to do with cases of canned sockeye in the closet, and home grown potatoes in the bin than the number of active credit cards in one’s wallet and the attending debt.
Priorities of the new province include a stop to the Enbridge pipeline, honouring the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People. An adoption of a living wage, expansion of affordable and co-operative housing; and universal Dental Care would be the order of the day.
“We are ready to go”, said one potential citizen of the new province. “We have fundamental differences in values from Christy Clark’s B.C. Its time to separate. We’ll be fine.”
[quote=“windchime”]Following the May 14th,2013 election, a significant portion of north and western British Columbia is poised to recede from British Columbia thus creating a new province. Electoral ridings including the Northcoast and Haida Gwaii, Skeena, Stikine, the Central Coast, and possibly the northern part of Vancouver Island that went NDP are unified in their policies towards protecting the environment, and the provision of a social safety net.
A different social ethic exists in this part of Canada. Citizens do not believe in money at all costs. People chose to maintain close connection to family, land , and sea. In fact “wealth” has more to do with cases of canned sockeye in the closet, and home grown potatoes in the bin than the number of active credit cards in one’s wallet and the attending debt.
Priorities of the new province include a stop to the Enbridge pipeline, honouring the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People. An adoption of a living wage, expansion of affordable and co-operative housing; and universal Dental Care would be the order of the day.
“We are ready to go”, said one potential citizen of the new province. “We have fundamental differences in values from Christy Clark’s B.C. Its time to separate. We’ll be fine.”[/quote]
Oh ok…so according to you if you voted Liberal you have no social ethics, are money hungry, have no care or connection with family, the land or the sea…gmab.
Your entire post reeks of uppity entitlement…your amount of “care” does not supersede mine or anyone elses (no matter how they voted)…so please get over yourself.
Your just pissed that your party did not win the province like you thought they would…end of story.
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A different social ethic exists in this part of Canada. Citizens do not believe in money at all costs. People chose to maintain close connection to family, land , and sea. In fact “wealth” has more to do with cases of canned sockeye in the closet, and home grown potatoes in the bin than the number of active credit cards in one’s wallet and the attending debt.
… and universal Dental Care would be the order of the day.
We’ll be fine."[/quote]
So, the dentist takes canned salmon and potatoes in trade?
Windchime, I hope I see the day that your dream comes true.
First, my taxes will be lower in BC because the taxes to pay for your Utopia will come from transfer payments from the Federal Government! Second, the industry that so wants to come here and create an 1st world economy will avoid your province like the plague and thus generate a better economy for mine.
By the way, I hope you are in good shape and don’t mind butchering small furry animals.
I say this as I am sure your are a person of exemplary integrity and I suspect that trying to catch a year’s inventory of fish from a canoe - you can’t possibly want to use an oil product to run a boat and all that paddling will be demanding. You will butcher animals as you will wear furs and woven cedar - most clothes are now oil byproducts. And you will not use tin canning for tin production also the product of the oil based economy. Such a life might be a bit difficult. And no, don’t even think you can wear cotten. The industrialization of cotten has meant that cotten is also dependent on oil.
Also to not be accused of nimbyism you will also need for forgo the benefits of our existing health care system because all that medical technology is also part of the oil economy and you would not want other parts of the world to have to extract, refine and ship oil or otherwise ‘harm’ their environment so that you could use the benefits.
This may sound bleak. However, be of good cheer!, even though revenues for health care, education, social services will be lower, in your Utopia, you can balance the budget by stealing from the next generation - who will probably move from Utopia when they see their future.
Incidentally, I doubt the dentist and doctor will accept a case of salmon, but that is okay because you will be drying your salmon.
[quote=“DWhite”]
I am trying to reconcile “the largest political choke” with pollsters having “massive egg on their faces”.
Last Friday, after some polls indicated momentum for the Liberals, the final polls still indicated a 6-8% lead for the NDP that was completely reversed last night. Unlike Alberta where the Liberal vote collapsed and went Conservative to keep the Wildrose party out, that doesn’t appear to have happened here. We already knew the Conservative vote would not play much of a spoiler role. So what went wrong? Did Ipsos and Angus Reid totally miss the continuing momentum of the Liberals, or is their methodogy totally screwed up or what? For example, we can blame the NDP for the collapse (it was theirs to lose) but who’s to say that the 20% lead at the beginning was correct if the final tally was so wrong. Did the pollsters ever have it right?[/quote]
The trend might be important, but there is no way you can accurately poll 1000 people and think that will reflect an entire province especially when it comes to something as volatile as politics.
What you consider lies and scandal etc. pales compared to the NDP of the past. And Dix’ baggage in this regard brought it right back to the present.
Not sure I agree with that.
Maybe they think if you “Like” a candidate on Facebook it means something important.
[quote=“DWite”]Finally, I am sad at the adversarial system of politicking where co-operation and consensus no longer seem possible, where differing views, especially differing views within your own party are discouraged. There is a recent documentary called “Whipped” which looks at how our MLAs are pretty much forced to vote with their party despite how they or their constituents might feel. Since 2001, there have been over 32000 individual votes in the BC legislature. In total there have been 80 times when a member of the Liberals or the NDP voted against their own party. That’s .25%. Some people might believe in the sanctity of the caucus room, but if MLAs are too frightened to speak on behalf of their constituents that too is sad.
I will try to be less sad. I hope that the Liberals can make good on their promise to make this a family first province with jobs for everyone but I am also realistic enough to know what is likely to happen: Four more years of disappointment and scandals resulting in a Liberal majority in 2017. You heard it here first.[/quote]
I think the NDP appeared rudderless in this campaign. Historically they have had the backing of trade unions and forest and construction laborers etc., but this time around they seemed to want to embrace the “green” voters and that just confused a whole lot of people I think. This province has always had a resource based economy and a lot of people realize you cannot just wipe that from our slate. There was vague talk of training our youth, but to do what? Where were all the jobs going to come from? There was a lot of spending too, but where was the money going to come from? Again a vague reference to raising taxes on big banks and wealthy people, but where was the plan? What was going to generate jobs and money? The Liberals pretty much based their entire campaign on the economy, and that was what the people wanted to hear.
[quote=“windchime”]Following the May 14th,2013 election, a significant portion of north and western British Columbia is poised to recede from British Columbia thus creating a new province. Electoral ridings including the Northcoast and Haida Gwaii, Skeena, Stikine, the Central Coast, and possibly the northern part of Vancouver Island that went NDP are unified in their policies towards protecting the environment, and the provision of a social safety net.
A different social ethic exists in this part of Canada. Citizens do not believe in money at all costs. People chose to maintain close connection to family, land , and sea. In fact “wealth” has more to do with cases of canned sockeye in the closet, and home grown potatoes in the bin than the number of active credit cards in one’s wallet and the attending debt.
Priorities of the new province include a stop to the Enbridge pipeline, honouring the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People. An adoption of a living wage, expansion of affordable and co-operative housing; and universal Dental Care would be the order of the day.
“We are ready to go”, said one potential citizen of the new province. “We have fundamental differences in values from Christy Clark’s B.C. Its time to separate. We’ll be fine.”[/quote]
Or you can go back to Quebec.
let them seperate, what will they do for an economy? no mining, or resource extraction allowed, so how will they get jobs to pay for their services? hmmmmmm wonder if they thought of that at all.
and on a side not on Rice, the Langely Mayor is resigning because he won his seat in the election, thus causing a byelection.