Christian fundamentalism and the environment


#1

Battlefield Earth
http://www.alternet.org/story/20666/

These people are in charge now. Bill Moyers is not a kook.

some other quote I like from http://www.mnftiu.cc get yuor war on.

So whatcha think? Is it too much for me to ask for moderate christians to start publically taking back their religion and try to moderate it back from the edge of global-not-giving-a-fuck?


#2

On the same topic, it seems the Grand Canyon wasn’t carved by the Colorado river over millions of years:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0890513732/103-2806594-6299802?v=glance

http://foolishpeople.typepad.com/foolishpeople/2004/01/grand_canyon_a_.htmlhttp://foolishpeople.typepad.com/foolishpeople/2004/01/grand_canyon_a_.html

and

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rightsandfreedoms/a/canyonflood.htm


#3

Not really much different than teaching Newtonian physics. Yes, we know it’s wrong, but it’s an explanation that works well enough in the right circumstances.

Now the difference between Physics and Religion is that nobody goes around killing each other for believing in Quantum Theory or Superstrings instead of Newtonian physics. Don’t get me started on those Ancient Greek physics zealots.

Other than that, what’s wrong with following the teachings of Jesus or Mohammed? In the right circumstances, with the right point of view, it’s not a bad way to live. Imagine being nice to each other, what a concept!

Ah another HTMF religion thread is born.


#4

Hmmm I wonder what Hondo and Ken would say about that??


#5

Well, I think it’s pretty well established that our current physics theories aren’t correct, but hey, they work fine in everyday life.

I’m sure any physics teacher or professor will tell you the same.

Or you could just read MC Hawking’s book.


#6

They are correct for our application, if you require your life to have some higher meaning then by all means religion works. However if you are going to claim god created something like the grand canyon is stupid we know how erosion works go ahead and disprove erosion…

ps. My theory is we are all a computer simulation which in the right situation works.


#7

Alpine Scrub, you may enjoy Thomas Merton’s writings on nature, called “when the trees say nothing”.

To give you a small taste, Merton writes, “In this wilderness I have learned how to sleep again. I am not alien. The trees I know, the night I know, the rain I know. I close my eyes and instantly sink into the whole rainy world of which I am a part, and the world goes on with me in it, for I am not alien to it.”

Thomas Merton (1915-1968) was a Trappist Monk and environmentalist.


#8

Science is a religion in my mind. Always changing to suit new discoveries. Eventually, I’m sure, it’ll be almost completely different than what we know today.

The only difference is instead of burning witches and shit like that our modern Religion, science, kills people a bit less directly. Inventions of science used as weapons to kill. Byproducts of cars polluting our enviroment, etc etc. Are we truly better off now?

Maybe it’s just a convoluted way at looking at it. But maybe we’re just as ignorant as early Religious followers were and we’re committing the same types of sins but in a more “enlightened” way.


#9

its funny, i post these threads, eat a big bowl of dinner, and get too tired to formulate opinions. :wink:

thanks for the recommendation dave.

bakc later thjough…


#10

[quote=“MiG”]Not really much different than teaching Newtonian physics. Yes, we know it’s wrong, but it’s an explanation that works well enough in the right circumstances.

Other than that, what’s wrong with following the teachings of Jesus or Mohammed? In the right circumstances, with the right point of view, it’s not a bad way to live. Imagine being nice to each other, what a concept!

Ah another HTMF religion thread is born.[/quote]

and

[quote=“MiF”]Well, I think it’s pretty well established that our current physics theories aren’t correct, but hey, they work fine in everyday life.
[/quote]

You seem to think that wrong and right have no nuance in this case. Was Newton all wrong? Or was he just wrong in some aspects of his work? His explanations work well enough for us because what was suggested after ( relativity) works better at high speeds but gives extremely close results at everyday speed. So Newton’s work is still used.

Your comment about Jesus and Mohammed also lacks nuance. Yes their teachings are good. Yes, being nice to each other is good. But religion also has bad parts. And I believe that one of the bad part is when fundamentalists push creationism as a valid and accepted scientific theory while they reject the premises on how the scientific method establishes models and theories.

Check out these science fair projects winner:http://objective.jesussave.us/creationsciencefair.html


#11

Heh, for a second, I though it said “Milf wrote”

I think we’re agreeing here. Newtonian physics works great for everyday life. As does religion.

I don’t reject the scientific method, but to me, in every day life, having God make the Grand Canyon and having erosion create the Grand Canyon is the same thing. It’s only in the details that it really matters.

Same with physics. Send a satellite in orbit, it doesn’t matter what kind of physics you use. How about sending a probe to Neptune? Well, then the details start to matter. Or how about taking relativity into account when laying a fiber-optic link to Australia?


#12

But this matters because the Grand Canyon contains layers upon layers of rocks with fossils embedded into them. It a contains crucial part of the history of life. So trying to change people’s view on how it was made is an effort to refute the fossil record which is one of the main agenda of the creationists.
Give them an inch…


#13

Yes, I agree with you.

It matters very little in my life, but I know it matters a great deal in theirs.

The unfortunate thing is that they’ve twisted the intent of religion, and the intent of those figures that upon which they base their religions.

Jesus would not be a right-wing Creationist Christian.


#14

I absolutely agree with you MiG. Jesus was an outcast. At the back of one of my Bibles Schuller describes Jesus as someone who had nothing going for him. To quote Schuller, “He was a member of a despised minority, a citizen of an occupied country, a nobody as far as the Romans were concerned, a joke to the occupying powers, and a nuisance to His fellow Jews.”


#15

Most likely an urban legend, but really sums up how the (largely) American right-wing “Christians” use religion to justify their political bullshit:


#16

“If God created us in His image we have certainly returned the compliment.” -Voltaire

most Uber-1337-h4x0|2 frenchman to ever live.


#17

“My Uncle and a Monkey”

Unc sounds like a dullard. My uncle was fun. If I had tried to exhibit him to a bunch of Baptists he defenitily would’ve started screeching and throwing feces at them just to stir up the pot…

"Women Were Designed For Homemaking"
and I have the scars to prove it. I guess “women” is used to differentiate from “teenage females”, as most of them have new life forms evolving in the laundry heaps that pass as bedrooms.


#18

I’m reminded of the saying from the movie “A river runs through it”:Jesus died to take away our sins, not our minds.

Religion and intelligence can and should coexist.


#19

Unfortunatly they do not.

gotta love that thats the first working picture of him google displays.

edit: this is the first working one

http://vitalkinnn.narod.ru/humor/george-bush-jr.jpg


#20

Im going to hit you with a baby jesus