. . . are comin’ home to roost:
Meh.
Im still voting for her.
[quote=“bthedog”]Meh.
Im still voting for her.[/quote]
Thats Milf, not Meh.
And thats why they can do what they do, and still get voted back…sad.
Here’s a good question, to determine whether you’re thinking rationally or not:
What would it take for you not to vote for Christy Clark?
Answer honestly. If she were arrested, would you still vote for her? What would it take? Where’s the line?
The line for me, would be a viable option other than the NDP. There are none at the moment.
Its not so much voting for her, as it is voting for the lesser of two evils out of the NDP and Liberals…the lesser evil being the Liberals.
I could careless who is the “face” of the party…unless that face is Adrian Dix.
[quote=“MiG”]Here’s a good question, to determine whether you’re thinking rationally or not:
What would it take for you not to vote for Christy Clark?
Answer honestly. If she were arrested, would you still vote for her? What would it take? Where’s the line?[/quote]
Really depends on what she was arrested for…to be honest I would still vote Liberal…I voted for Gordo after the drunk driving in Hawaii…
You can argue whether that is a rationale or not…because I feel the same way about people who vote for the NDP.
Ok, fair enough. So there’s nothing that the BC Liberals could do to make you not vote for them.
Personally, I wouldn’t vote for a person who lied to me. That’s my ‘line in the sand.’ I didn’t vote for Nathan Cullen in the last election, for example, because he lied about being against UBB. I didn’t vote for Bill Belsey in a previous provincial election because of a lie.
But that’s how I make my decisions, and I was just curious how you make your decision. Is it just autopilot? ie: you will always vote BC Liberal no matter what? If it’s not that, then what would it take to make you not vote BC Liberal?
I asked the same question to a friend of mine recently. He said that he didn’t care if BC Liberals were, hypothetically, breaking the law, or putting taxpayer money in personal Swiss bank accounts, or being paid millions under the table, or anything like that. He didn’t care if they tripled taxes, or cut all health and education spending, to literally zero, or whatever. He literally couldn’t think of a hypothetical scenario where he wouldn’t vote for them. That’s just not making a decision, then, in my opinion.
So I’m honestly curious what your ‘line’ would be. What would it take to make you say something other than “meh.” ? I note that even prominent BC Liberals are not against Christy Clark, and are asking her to resign, so obviously she’s crossed their ‘lines.’ But you’re still going to vote for her, so she hasn’t crossed your line yet, right? Where’s that line? Does it exist?
That’s a good rationale, I guess. Here’s another question, then, what would it take for you to vote NDP?
“Personally, I wouldn’t vote for a person who lied to me. That’s my ‘line in the sand.’ I didn’t vote for Nathan Cullen in the last election, for example, because he lied about being against UBB. I didn’t vote for Bill Belsey in a previous provincial election because of a lie.”
We know that Dix has a less than stellar track record when it comes to honesty as well. Brings me back to what bthedog said and voting for the lesser of two evils. I’ve been seriously torn over who to vote for a while now and although I’m none too happy with some of what the Liberal government has done, and I hate the thought of not holding them accountable in the next election, I don’t see the NDP as a viable option. What would it take for me to vote for them? Unless they change what they stand for I won’t vote for them. The NDP is more pro-labour and less sympathetic to big business. The way I see it, business needs to be healthy and strong, and then the labour issues will be looked after. Resource development is at the forefront of this and it suffered under the previous NDP government. As much as the Liberal government has pissed me off they have us on the cusp of a promising new future and in a much better place when then they took over. Is now the time to hand the reigns of the province back to the NDP? I don’t think so. I’d like to see another Liberal government elected to finish what they’ve started.
This is a good question.
As far as not voting for lying politicians, well, if you look really hard you would end up having to spoil your ballot.
I don’t vote NDP because I am opposed to;
Bigger government,
Crown corporations,
Favour to labour over business,
Higher taxes,
Government imposed solutions to things like financial inequality, subsidized education, daycare, affirmative action etc.
Now maybe Dix won’t go down the disastrous road other leftist governments do, but I haven’t heard him say anything. I went to their website, again nothing. So despite the embarrassing moves of late with the Liberals, at least we know what to expect and all in all this province is doing pretty well.
If I was so disgusted with Clark that I just couldn’t vote, I would probably vote Libertarian or Conservative, knowing my vote was wasted.
Honestly, if I don’t really like what is happening with my party of choice, I hope for a minority.
[quote=“crazy Horse”]
Now maybe Dix won’t go down the disastrous road other leftist governments do, but I haven’t heard him say anything. [/quote]
Dix is playing it smart. He does not need to say a lot to get elected, he just needs to avoid doing something stupid. That being said I predict that if Dix is elected he will not go crazy with spending, that is, he will behave more like a centrist government. He does, after all, want to be re-elected.
what would make me not vote for the party? well if the party itself was corrupt and or if it’s leader commited a provable felony and wasn’t charged, and by provable I mean caught red handed evidence up the wazoo, person admitting it and yet no charges. oh wait i am not voting for Dix after all.
Christy Clark has proven inept lately which means she doesn’t have the brightest handlers around her or advising her but if we want Prince Rupert to continue to grow it’s economy liberals are the way to go. LNG all the way.
oh and I used to vote Graham Lee and Dan Miller, they were more centralist then leftist, i will always vote for a centralist.
[quote=“Jabber63”]
oh and I used to vote Graham Lee and Dan Miller, they were more centralist then leftist, i will always vote for a centralist.[/quote]
I voted for Miller as well. He was an amazing MLA. At this point there is no declared Liberal candidate for the North Coast.
I think the point of discussion is to be receptive to the possibilities that one’s perspectives can be enriched, and even moved, by alternative arguments. Without that, society freezes in its current state. So, my two cents worth is, that if we’re ok with a government that has circled the wagons and can’t keep track of which scandal they are covering up at any given moment, then let’s stick with them. If we’re ok with a government that has created a track record of firesales of public assets, cost overruns on projects that can hardly be characterized as essential (BC Place anyone?), then let’s stick with them. If we’re ok with a government that can’t provide any extra funding for the children in poverty, but can pony up millions on a whim for the Grey Cup and a photo for a “dead person walking” Premier, then let’s stick with them. If we’re ok with a government that hatches an ethnic outreach strategy to get “quick wins” in key ridings, and spends 11 million on a Bollywood film awards ceremony, strong arms it so it can happen before an election, get’s caught, and dismisses a minister (Yap) who wasn’t anywhere near it when it happened, then we should stick with them. I could go on, because the list is really long, but my point is clear.
My preference would be to show them the door they so richly deserve. So then, what about the replacement? I think that the public discourse has been irreversibly changed by blogs, the exposure of compliant MSM, and the spotlight that has been shone on the misadventures of politicians who have discovered the house is made of glass. Maybe the new homeowners will recognize that, and do a little better than that. If they don't, then they should suffer the same fate. However, because I have a choice, I get to make a judgement. My judgement is, the opposition will not be perfect, but will be morally, ethically, and pragmatically better than what we have now.Sounds eerily similar to the previous NDP government (Bingo gate, fast ferries, casino gate, forgery of documents by Dix) and the Social Credit government before that. Difference is, the NDP were driven out with our economy in turmoil while the Liberal government has actually seen a drastic improvement. Something is being done right.
[quote=“Crazy Train”]
Sounds eerily similar to the previous NDP government (Bingo gate, fast ferries, casino gate, forgery of documents by Dix) and the Social Credit government before that. Difference is, the NDP were driven out with our economy in turmoil while the Liberal government has actually seen a drastic improvement. Something is being done right.[/quote]
You right wing guys keep bringing up casino gate. Give it a rest. Glen Clark did the correct thing by stepping down when he was accused of wrong doing. His political career was torpedoed by his opponents. He was later vindicated in court. He did nothing illegal; he was cleared of wrong doing. At least Premier Glen Clark had the class to step down.
[quote=“hitest”]
[quote=“Crazy Train”]
Sounds eerily similar to the previous NDP government (Bingo gate, fast ferries, casino gate, forgery of documents by Dix) and the Social Credit government before that. Difference is, the NDP were driven out with our economy in turmoil while the Liberal government has actually seen a drastic improvement. Something is being done right.[/quote]
You right wing guys keep bringing up casino gate. Give it a rest. Glen Clark did the correct thing by stepping down when he was accused of wrong doing. His political career was torpedoed by his opponents. He was later vindicated in court. He did nothing illegal; he was cleared of wrong doing. At least Premier Glen Clark had the class to step down.[/quote]
Casino gate was a legitimate scandal that heavily involved the fella that you want to elect as Premier. Sure, Clark was cleared of criminal charges but that doesn’t mean that he didnt do anything wrong. I don’t know if his stepping down was a result of being classy. The NDP were already on the way out and being destroyed in the polls. What choice did he have ? Best move he could have made at the time.
So, Christy Clark acknowledges wrong doing and promises an investigation. Would you consider that to be classy? Should
She just resign?
[quote=“Crazy Train”] Should
She just resign?
[/quote]
I think she should, but she won’t. Christy Clark gives the NDP the best chance of getting elected in May. The May election truly is the NDP’s to lose.
[quote=“hitest”]
Christy Clark gives the NDP the best chance of getting elected in May. The May election truly is the NDP’s to lose.[/quote]
I like Christie Clark. She’s inherited a bit of a PR mess from Gordon Campbell but she has what it takes to be a good leader for our province. My biggest issue with the Liberal government is that they have broken election promises. Public sector cuts, HST. Probably the medicine that we needed but I’m not a big fan of how it all went down. If they had done it further into their term with fair explanations rather than outright lying I would have been okay with it. Still, I see them as our best option in leading our province.