Fresh hail on road,one car on its side,one in the ditch…two cop cars on scene taking people out,passed ambulance on its way also first responder truck AND THE GD LADDER TRUCK!!WTF???
You’ve brought this up several times in the past and its obvious that you don’t read very well. I remember someone mentioning that the fire department goes to car accidents because there is the possibility of fire. Should they leave their ladder truck at the fire hall? What happens if they do and there’s a fire? Use your head.
I hope that the people in the vehicle were ok
[quote=“Crazy Train”]
You’ve brought this up several times in the past and its obvious that you don’t read very well. I remember someone mentioning that the fire department goes to car accidents because there is the possibility of fire. Should they leave their ladder truck at the fire hall? What happens if they do and there’s a fire? Use your head.
I hope that the people in the vehicle were ok[/quote]
Yes so true the Fire Dept responds to all calls that the Ambulance gets dispatched too. Also they might need other tools to extract people also if they are trapped.
BS! if you are worried about a fire you would take a FIRE TRUCK,not the most expensive truck,also they had a first response truck there as well,with all the gear to extracate some one.This is still a pissing match.
Wow, you passed the ambulance on its way? How slow was it going for you to have to pass it?
I thought this thread is about a highway accident, but instead I stumbled upon saltybear’s emergency service hate-fest.
Remember I told you about not cheaping out on safety, saltybear?
Call me stupid but I thought that “the most expensive truck” was a fire truck. Am I wrong?
Hypothetical question:
The fire department goes to an accident on Miller Bay hill with only their first response truck. While they are there a fire breaks out at Oasis apartments. Should they drive back into town past the fire to pick up “the most expensive truck” or should they have had it with them already?
I hope all of the people involved in the MVA @ Miller Bay Hill are OK. I heard that the weather on the other side of the mountain was ridiculous! Quite bad compared to that in town. Please People, drive with caution when the weather conditions are poor. It seems like Spring, but we’re not out of March yet and its been known to snow here later in the year than this!
That being said. I’ve been out of the loop for a while and haven’t had a chance to peruse HTMF! Anyway, use of Emergency Vehicles and being pissy. I’ve noticed the Ladder Truck following the F/Responder a couple of times, and yesterday I saw them with the ambulance at a call. Why the L/Truck? and why so many Firemen? Hoping someone knows more than me about it.
I read your post Mr Crazy, about the Firemen driving “Past” the fire, to “Go get the Expensive Fire Truck”! I’m thinking that that’s why they have a second shift, just incase that situation occurs. But why take the Ladder Truck to a MVA? Thats like taking a Fishing Rod to go Hunt Grizzly Bear! Wouldn’t a Pumper Truck be more of a Primary Support Vehicle, and the Ladder Truck Secondary? The Pumper is also more likely suited to that type of incident. And, I believe we have more than 1 of them. Thus leaving the “Expensive Fire Truck” at home in the Barn.
And finally, as for the Good Constables comment about passing an Ambulance, I Frequently pass other vehicles, while going in the opposite direction!
Thank you,finally someone who gets it!
If you’re so interested in how the local Fire Department is responding to emergencies, to the point where you constantly complain about it, why not just go to them and ask? At least then there would be some factual basis for complaint.
[quote=“woodnfood”]
I read your post Mr Crazy, about the Firemen driving “Past” the fire, to “Go get the Expensive Fire Truck”! I’m thinking that that’s why they have a second shift, just incase that situation occurs. But why take the Ladder Truck to a MVA? Thats like taking a Fishing Rod to go Hunt Grizzly Bear! Wouldn’t a Pumper Truck be more of a Primary Support Vehicle, and the Ladder Truck Secondary? The Pumper is also more likely suited to that type of incident. And, I believe we have more than 1 of them. Thus leaving the “Expensive Fire Truck” at home in the Barn.
And finally, as for the Good Constables comment about passing an Ambulance, I Frequently pass other vehicles, while going in the opposite direction![/quote]
A second shift for what? Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t believe that our fire department has volunteers. Wouldn’t this mean that any additional personnel needed would cost overtime? This is the way I see it. The firemen are called to help with a situation such as a car accident. They need their response truck and a fire truck because of the chance of fire. Now, is the ladder truck not a pumper? Why would you spend all this money on a new truck and leave it at home in the “barn” as you call it? (Whatever that means??) If I understand you correctly, they should not use the new truck unless they call in overtime. A fishing rod to hunt grizzly bear? Hmmm… No. More like using a fire truck to fight fire. Didnt the city but a new garbage truck recently? Should that stay parked and the old one used?
Salty Bear. Your pissing and moaning sounds worthy too me. Why the Ladder Truck. In a perfect world, a local firefighter would be an avid HTMF Member, and answer these questions would be answered and this round of sparing would be settled! But, no answer so far, so we have to read the thoughts, questions, and of course answers from Luongo and Speedy. No, I mean Crazy Train and Schneider. Well you know what I mean! Maybe instead of “use your head”, it should be “give your head a shake” guys. You seem to work well together.
What was wrong with Salty’s post? There was no mention of not sending a Fire Truck, the question was Why the Ladder Truck?
Send a normal Pumper Truck, which I beleive carries more onboard water and would probably better suited for this type of emergency.
Crazy, I thought you would have known more about this. You seem to correct me lots, so simply put, take the appropiate truck to cover the job. No one is in the trees, everything is at ground level. Leave the Ladder Truck at the Fire Hall (not the Barn).
Unless things have changed Crazy, theres firefighters on call, so that if The Oasis lights up, their called in to attend the fire, and the Ladder Truck is Ready. Its not at a car accident! I think theres only maybe 5 men on shift at any given time, so if the 2 trucks and 2 men are in each truck, is the odd man out expected to fight your hypothetical Apartment Fire. Of course firemen will be called in (probably on overtime) to fight the fire. And No, there are no volenteers, I don■t know why.
I should of said on call, not second shift, sorry Crazy, thought you would have figured that one out. And if they get called in I certainly hope they get paid, overtime or not, dont you agree. Maybe You should have been talked to as well about Cheaping out on Safety from Mr PLA. Im sure, as usual, I have left gaps that any Critic can drive a truck through. Thanks
P.S. Borrowing a statement from another Member…This, is only my opinion!
[quote=“woodnfood”]Salty Bear. Your pissing and moaning sounds worthy too me. Why the Ladder Truck. In a perfect world, a local firefighter would be an avid HTMF Member, and answer these questions would be answered and this round of sparing would be settled! But, no answer so far, so we have to read the thoughts, questions, and of course answers from Luongo and Speedy. No, I mean Crazy Train and Schneider. Well you know what I mean! Maybe instead of “use your head”, it should be “give your head a shake” guys. You seem to work well together.
What was wrong with Salty’s post? There was no mention of not sending a Fire Truck, the question was Why the Ladder Truck?
Send a normal Pumper Truck, which I beleive carries more onboard water and would probably better suited for this type of emergency.
Crazy, I thought you would have known more about this. You seem to correct me lots, so simply put, take the appropiate truck to cover the job. No one is in the trees, everything is at ground level. Leave the Ladder Truck at the Fire Hall (not the Barn).
Unless things have changed Crazy, theres firefighters on call, so that if The Oasis lights up, their called in to attend the fire, and the Ladder Truck is Ready. Its not at a car accident! I think theres only maybe 5 men on shift at any given time, so if the 2 trucks and 2 men are in each truck, is the odd man out expected to fight your hypothetical Apartment Fire. Of course firemen will be called in (probably on overtime) to fight the fire. And No, there are no volenteers, I don■t know why.
I should of said on call, not second shift, sorry Crazy, thought you would have figured that one out. And if they get called in I certainly hope they get paid, overtime or not, dont you agree. Maybe You should have been talked to as well about Cheaping out on Safety from Mr PLA. Im sure, as usual, I have left gaps that any Critic can drive a truck through. Thanks
P.S. Borrowing a statement from another Member…This, is only my opinion![/quote]
I correct you lots? That’s news to me Mr wood. Actually, you’re news to me because I don’t recall ever seeing your ID before. Apparently you either have a better memory it just can’t let things go.
Saltybear has been beating this horse to death for a while. If the firemen in town feel that they should have the new truck with them then I am not going to question that. I don’t imagine that they call in an extra crew on overtime everytime that they have to go and help some one out so it seems reasonable to me that they have their best truck with them in case they need it. Maybe it carries specialized equipment that they need. It’s supposed to be state of the art so again, it seems completely reasonable to me for them to use it.
There was a fireman on a previous thread that addressed some if the issues raised by others. Maybe you should go back and read it.
Just so we are all clear…Prince Rupert is THE ONLY city in BC that does not have aux firemen…thanks to the local UNION firemen!!!We used to have 20-30 aux firemen till the union had a pissing match and ended up with all full time firemen and before someone says we get cheaper ins because of this …B…S…T
You’re all over the map. What does your last statement have to do with the thread you created about an accident on Miller Bay hill? What is your issue the use of their new and modern equipment or how the fire station gets its labour? It’s like you just look for any opportunity to repeat what you’ve already stated ten times over.
I find it very hard to believe that the firemans union would have any say in whether or not there are aux or volunteer firefighters. In fact, its been said in previous threads that they recently were trying to recruit volunteers and were having a hard time doing so. Management and city hall would have certain rights over this that is out of union jurisdiction. For some reason you have found it worthwhile to slam this valuable service. What is it really that is eating at you? Did you have a bad experience? House burn down?
Actually, saltybear was freaking out on another thread about the oil spill clean up crews wearing proper PPE and using proper equipment for the job.
His problem? “Too expensive”.
Hence him being cheap. I could go far as calling him one of the most unsafe person in Rupert.
Seems there are a pile of interesting thoughts on the FD and why they respond to car accidents. Some points are really good, while others are the same old dead horse beating thing. Someone brought up the great idea of asking the FD for clarification. Good idea, so the FD number is (250)627-1248, and going from the top of this post to the bottom, here were a couple of answers that were provided to the questions that were asked.
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Why go to car accidents? Why 2 trucks?
For life safety/extrication, fire suppression, fuel/ oil containment and environment protection. Emergency responders are injured and killed by passing motorists at accident scenes. When the Fire Dept sends 2 trucks to a car accident, they will use the vehicles to block either end of a scene in order to provide protection for the firefighters and paramedics working on the victims. The FD will usually send the Rescue van (which holds all the extrication equipment, hazmat/spill response equipment and medical gear) and an Engine (or pumper, for fire suppression). -
Why does the Fire Dept go to all Amulance calls?
They don’t. They go to about 20% of the Prince Rupert BC Ambulance calls, and only ones that the Dispatch Center determines as critical or a has a potential for an intervention. This follows the Gov’t’s criteria called the Medical Priority Dispatch System. The idea of the First Responder Program was first introduced to the Province by the Chief Coroner of BC in a report back in the 90’s that stated that other emergency services may be able to fill in some gaps on response times where the Ambulance service needed some help.This would help with patient survivability on critical calls where a timely response is needed. Those other emergency services were the Police and Fire Depts.
3)What about the Oasis Apt Fire example when the firefighters are out on a Highway call with the Ladder truck?
Generally, the new ladder truck does not go out the highway, but one of the Engines is temporarily on limited use right now. Normally, a highway call for an accident would mean the Rescue van and a pumper would go. If a fire crew is tied up at a scene, they back fill the station to make sure that the community is protected. The Fire Dept has 2 Engines, the Ladder and one Rescue. The Engines and the Ladder all carry 500 gallons of water each.
4)Why call the fire station the Barn?
They call the garage where they park their trucks, the Barn. This tradition goes back to the times when fire depts used to have horses in the station to pull hose wagons and water tanks. I think that is kinds cool.
5)Staffing level?
They staff a minimum of two firefighters for each shift, but try to maintain 3 -4. Four is the minimum number required to make entry in to a burning building according to WorkSafeBC Regulations - also called the 2 -in/ 2-out Rule. Less than four means they have to wait until more resources arrive on scene. This obvious time delay is not a great option, but is the reality of the reductions that the Dept has taken over the past decade to save the taxpayers money when times were tight. Prior to cutbacks, the Dept always staffed 4 firefighters from the 1970’s- 2004…when the town’s economics went for a crap. The 2-in/ 2-out rule is implemented right across North America, through state and provincial legislations. It was created because too many firefighters were being kiled in house fires where they didn’t have back-up to get injured firefighters out.
6)Are we the only Fire Dept that doesn’t have Auxilary or Volunteers in BC?
No, in the North, Kitimat and Prince George do not have Auxilaries or Volunteers. South of Prince George, there are tons that do not have either. Personally, I think this statement has been puked out a number of times and is just a way for Salty Bear to vent about emergency services in Prince Rupert. Enough already…
I probably missed a bunch of questions, but if you really want answers, call the guys that can give them to you. That’s an easy thing to do, but it seems like some people would rather enjoy complaining than get educated.
Thank you for researching and providing that information. Interesting how the other poster knew what “Barn” meant.
Thank you Gib nice work .
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